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richard carter

Gloom & doom. Glass 99.9% recurring empty. Quoter  ( my vocabulary couldn't come up with a better word! )of other people.'It is better to have enough ideas for some of them to be wrong, than to be always right by having no ideas at all' (of one's own). Edward de Bono  Perversely, I enjoy your quotes.  Makes me feel so happy I'm not that miserable. Keep them coming!

Barbara Shillabeer ● 2832d65 Comments

I'm appalled you can be so personal about another poster on this forum. No wonder people don't like to participate.

Lucille Grant ● 2832d

That's really low.  What's wrong with people?  Best you take it down, BS

James Francis ● 2832d

Are you feeling alright?  Why are you being so rude about one person?  Are we not living in a country where everybody's views are respected?I am at a loss as to why you appear to be so "venomous"!

Ivonne Holliday ● 2832d

Why does Richard only speak in quotes?  I have now given up reading his posts or quotes on this Forum.  I find them pretentious and boring, IMO.  He doesn’t respect other people’s views and called me juvenile because I said I wanted out of the EU.  I didn’t read any further of that particular post.

Martine Guy ● 2832d

No one is telling you you have to read Richards or anyone elses posts Martine.

Lucille Grant ● 2832d

Well I don’t Lucille.  Life’s too short to read someone else’s quotes.  Is this what this Forum is about?  Quote after quote after quote.

Martine Guy ● 2832d

Martine, once you get rid of your anger, perhaps we can all talk.You and Richard have very strong views, rightly or wrongly.  But being rude about them is unacceptable.You may be French, I am South American, but that does not give us the liberty to be rude about other people, however much we disagree.So, please, do not read Richard's posts because they will annoy you tremendously.The question is then, are you both contributing towards a strong debate?

Ivonne Holliday ● 2832d

Let’s leave off the personal stuff. Agree or disagree but there’s too much personal sniping on here already.

Jonathan Callaway ● 2832d

Totslly agreed and completely unwarranted.

Lucille Grant ● 2832d

Agreed!Silencing it is not the solution, in my view.If you dislike something very much indeed, then do not read it.To give you an example.  My husband is pro-Brexit and I am pro-Remain.  Not a very good concoction I agree.After an incredible argument the other night, we both agreed that the political situation at the moment with regards to Brexit is embarrassing.So, we can agree on some things.  Build it up from there!

Ivonne Holliday ● 2832d

Ivonne, they are not Richard’s posts, they are just quotes by other people.  It is really boring and I don’t read them if I can possibly help it.  I read what you and Lucille say on this Forum, even if I don’t agree with you because they are your own words.  What I say are my own words and feelings, but occasionally I quote I admit that.  I find these quotes incredibly pretentious, that we should sit up and take notice because he thinks they are important.  As I say life is too short to read them and I usually give up after the first paragraph, sorry quote.

Martine Guy ● 2832d

Jonathan, I think the sniping will stop when the sneering stops.

Martine Guy ● 2832d

Richard, please take no notice and keep on posting. You are one of the most consistently articulate contributors to this forum and I would suggest one of the best read, on Brexit and other matters. Your posts are informed and instructive -  and the forum would be much less interesting without them.

David Austin ● 2832d

Ivonne, IMO Richard sneers at others, why don’t you address that?

Martine Guy ● 2832d

Martine, sometimes other people can express your views much better than you can.  Alternatively, other people's views are, or become, a more substantial basis for the argument. Whichever way it is, quoting other people does not mean that the person is inferior (regardless of how irritating the person can be).What all of this has shown us, regrettably, is that Brexit is a mess from start to finish.  And I say a mess because there were no plans or road maps for it.  Please, in the spirit of "conviviality", can we not all agree that we disagree with each other without being rude, crude and/or horrible?I do not think you are any of the latter, but please, can we learn to live with each other and what is more, enjoy the differences?  This was a very British trait till Brexit!!

Ivonne Holliday ● 2832d

Does he?  If he does, I missed it, I am sorry.

Ivonne Holliday ● 2832d

“Quoting other people does not mean that the person is inferior”, IMO he thinks he is superior to me.  Don’t you get it, the sneering?

Martine Guy ● 2832d

I'm not aware of him sneering either. In any case as you point out they are quotes and not his own words.

Lucille Grant ● 2832d

I am sorry Martine, but I am lost.Why would you be inferior?  Where did I say this? You have your views, he has his....  Is he making fun at you?Whatever it is, you two will never see eye-to-eye, so in my view, just ignore it.I do not see eye-to-eye with you, am I sneering at you?

Ivonne Holliday ● 2832d

Well maybe that’s the difference between The Remainers and Brexiteers on this Forum. If you are not articulate enough to express your reasons for voting Leave, then you are juvenile, in his opinion.

Martine Guy ● 2832d

No Ivonne, you don’t sneer, but IMO he does.  You have never implied I was inferior.

Martine Guy ● 2832d

Well to be fair to Barbara the endless quotes that Richard posts are bloody boring, imho. Most of them are from his bible, The Guardian💤 so I tend to skip over them. I would much rather read posters' personal opinions on topics and not those from leftie journalists who usually follow the agendas of the publication that pays their wages. I also get fed up with his constant Brexit doom and gloom.🙄 I would hate to live immersed in such negative energy, and I don't like it on the forum either.Still, each to their own, live and let live, whatever floats his boat....and all the other trite cliches. I resisted the urge to google for posh quotes.  I'll leave that to DA lol.

Sue Hammond ● 2832d

I'm still waiting for good reasons to leave. I don't consider anyone juvenile for not being able to express them because there aren't any imo.

Lucille Grant ● 2832d

Lucille, you might have a different view to me, but you don’t sneer or endlessly quote.

Martine Guy ● 2832d

We all have the freedom thankfully to read any journals, lefties or otherwise Sue. As I've said before if you dont like Richards posts don't read them. Simples.

Lucille Grant ● 2832d

Had a quick look at the Chiswick Forum, can’t see any endless, boring, pretentious quotes on there. 

Martine Guy ● 2832d

I do my fair share of quoting I think because I can't always articulate as well as I would like. Anyhow I'm off to enjoy the rest of the evening and hope everyone can be left to enjoy theirs too.

Lucille Grant ● 2832d

I also quote, but only now and again.  Some people can only speak in quotes.

Martine Guy ● 2832d

I wish we could all find the common ground and stop the fighting and bickering.I had these with my husband that I absolutely adore, well, we adore each othr. And we both agree that the current political situation is dire.  Great!Could we all get together to find a common ground on the best way forward?Too much to ask?

Ivonne Holliday ● 2832d

Why don’t you put that question to Richard first?

Martine Guy ● 2832d

What on earth is all this about? I bet Richard is having a good laugh. Try to be a bit less worried about him Martine and Barbara.

Caroline Whitehead ● 2832d

I have put it to you.I am not scared to ask him though.

Ivonne Holliday ● 2832d

It is also true that these questions are true during negotiations....  Whether you are negotiating for climate change, remunerations or gender equality.  These are common questions!

Ivonne Holliday ● 2832d

Caroline, laugh, I think you have to have a sense of humour first.

Martine Guy ● 2832d

Why would anyone be scared of asking Richard?

Martine Guy ● 2832d

Sadly, a perfect example of what happens too often on this forum. Don't agree with what someone says?  Why bother entering into friendly, respectful debate when you can just make a nasty, personal comment....and this isn't about remainers / leavers as there are plenty of people on either side who are able to have an exchange of views without resorting to personal attacks.

Craig Fordham ● 2832d

Not sure where this is going, was it intended as a joke? If so, I'm not sure it was really funny. Looking at the thread there seems to be a lot about referring and quoting from articles, etc. With Brexit it seems to me the argument is going to be partly personal opinion and mainly argument or assessment based on facts which may include reasoning by others to build up those facts. Obviously opinions are mainly going to be one's own but in the case of facts, assessments and reasoning it may be necessary to build on other's reasoning and references - no point in reinventing the wheel. And I was always taught I should substantiate and recognise my sources with references and quotes - so I would expect to put links to any sources - we don't want to be accused of plagiarism, do we? If I'm borrowing someone else's reasoning if I've time I might summarise it but if I'm in a hurry (the train is arriving at my station) I'll just put a link in. Based on that, I don't see Richard's doing anything wrong.

Michael Ixer ● 2832d

Not on to make personal jibes towards anyone posting here.  Disagree on opinions by all means, perhaps Katie Hopkins has had too much influence on the nation!!

Bunny Payne ● 2831d

On the use of quotes, Google provides a quote:-“I hate quotations. Tell me what you know.” (from Ralph Waldo Emerson)

David Ainsworth ● 2831d

This is without doubt the most disgusting thread Iv ever seen here.Martine & others, to chip in the way you have with the original troll is disgraceful.I suggest you withdraw from this forum.And to personally attack Richard Carter using your true identities?I dont know if thats honesty or stupidity.

Peter Miles ● 2831d

@Peter Miles 16.00"...I suggest you withdraw from this forum."And I suggest you stop getting your boxers in a twist.🙄Barbara is not a troll. She is entitled to have an opinion on anything or anybody on a public forum, as she wishes.  'Others' are entitled to agree or disagree with her, as they wish. The opinions given in this thread are not nasty, only subjective. If you want to read truly nasty comments on a public forum take a look at *Digital Spy and then you'll know the difference. *Not for Snowflakes.❄️I suspect Richard is rather enjoying this thread dedicated to him, let's be honest it's brought him more attention than flouncing off in a hissy fit like before.😸

Sue Hammond ● 2831d

A bit of his own medicine back lolThe troll Richard is now being trolled himself!

Ruth Davis ● 2830d

"A bit of his own medicine back lolThe troll Richard is now being trolled himself!"Richard Carter's reply (21/01/19 14:02:00) to your posting does not look like the reply of a troll, does it?He begins:- "That's a fair question, and deserves a serious answer. … "By what definition is he a troll?

David Ainsworth ● 2830d

Peter, I am not withdrawing from this Forum.  If you wish me to be barred from this Forum, I suggest you complain to Neighbourhood Net.  I am not taking suggestions from you.

Martine Guy ● 2830d

I agree Michael, not funny at all. If Richard's erudition makes others feel inadequate then I'm afraid that is their problem, and now everyone knows about it.

Lisa Cottam ● 2830d

Lisa, I do not feel inadequate.  Any news on the mob?

Martine Guy ● 2830d

I certainly don't feel inadequate. I'm still waiting for Lisa to answer your previous question and define who the mob are.

Sue Hammond ● 2830d

Is it appropriate that this Forum is used for personal attacks on a named contributor ?

John Hawkes ● 2826d

No, it is not appropriate that this forum is used for personal attacks on a named contributor.

Ivonne Holliday ● 2826d

And the personal vitriol always seems to be spilled by the same people !

John Hawkes ● 2826d

It probably contravene the "Respect others" part of the Forum's Code of Conduct. I've seen worse on Facebook - although not often between the participants I communicate with.

Michael Ixer ● 2826d

"Barbara is not a troll. She is entitled to have an opinion on anything or anybody on a public forum, as she wishes.  'Others' are entitled to agree or disagree with her, as they wish. The opinions given in this thread are not nasty, only subjective". I am pleased to see Ms Hammond take such a libertarian position.Anyone can give an opinion on anyone else that contributes to this Forum and their comments will be deemed subjective and I assume legitimate.

John Hawkes ● 2825d

Richard's great "sin" apparently was to back up his views with facts and quotes. That's what makes his contributions worth reading.

Alexander MacLeod ● 2825d

Mr MacLeodNot for some who believe their opinions, sincerely held I am sure, count for far more if put repeatedly and let's say 'forcefully' (!), whether or not backed up by facts and quotes from other sources.

John Hawkes ● 2825d

"A fact is a statement that is true and can be verified objectively, or proven. In other words, a fact is true and correct no matter what. An opinion, however, is a statement that holds an element of belief; it tells how someone feels. An opinion is not always true and cannot be proven."I don't know where this originated, but it's bang on. Mind you, it's a quote ....

Alexander MacLeod ● 2825d

PLEASE STOP SQUABBLING!!!  God, I feel like a teacher at a kindergarten.  You'll all go without your tea and get sent to bed earlyif this carries on :)

Bunny Payne ● 2825d

Enough already.  There have been far worse posts on here directed at specifically named individuals, so would all those who are outraged by a valid opinion please calm down and move on.

Chantal Blake-Milton ● 2825d

What mob??? I never mentioned a mob.

Lisa Cottam ● 2825d

@Bunny and ChantalThe little bully boys won't stop and Richard is probably loving the fact he's achieved forum fame at last lol. I'm just sitting here laughing at all the faux outrage.😺

Sue Hammond ● 2825d

Perhaps someone braver than me, not wishing to bring down upon myself the ire of two specific females who tend to dominate this Forum, might start a thread called Chantal Blake-Milton and then we can all criticise her.Not for her views on any particular topic, but on a more personal level regarding at least her style of argument, for instance quoting accepted knowledgeable sources, and how we find her comments pretentious and boring.And also her perceived attitudes towards the rest of us; that she is sneering and that she thinks we should sit up and take notice because she thinks her posts are important and that she thinks the rest of us are inferior.And how she secretly enjoys being personally attacked.But before anyone finds offence with this suggestion, I AM NOT BEING SERIOUS.I may not always agree with Ms Blake-Milton but I do find her comments rationally argued and worth a considered reply.And she does not seem to take offence if I disagree.There is a difference between disagreeing with an individual over an opinion on a specific topic and devising and dedicating a whole thread to attacking them personally and in general.Let's face it.That's how many politicians, often women, are treated.Have a nice day Ms Blake Milton !

John Hawkes ● 2824d

Give it a rest - this has to be the most boring thread for a very long time. Go and enjoy the beautiful 'spring' weather while you can.

Lucille Grant ● 2824d

"I'm appalled you can be so personal about another poster on this forum. No wonder people don't like to participate".

John Hawkes ● 2824d

John - what is the point you're making about my first remark on this  now boring thread other than the fact I've followed it?

Lucille Grant ● 2824d

Ms GrantI think perhaps I might be oversensitive to remarks such as 'Give it a rest' on a Forum I thought was frequented by rational middle class Putneyites !'Give it a rest, MATE' I could take on the terraces at Craven Cottage but ..... Anyway, I think you are right.Time to move on.Pretty obvious most posters think creating a personalised attack thread pretty indefensible.Let's see what our trolls in residence bait us with next !

John Hawkes ● 2824d

Rational? Trolls in residence? This forum? lol.

Lucille Grant ● 2824d