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Begum Has British Citizenship Revoked By Home Office!

Breaking news just been announced on LBC.👍🏻

Sue Hammond ● 2822d77 Comments

Yes, interesting - I agree with some on a Facebook thread where it also popped up, this could be good business for lawyers, particularly if the family qualifies for legal aid ...

Michael Ixer ● 2822d

They've already got one.From SKY News app"Solicitor Tasnime Akunjee said the 19-year-old's family were "very disappointed" and "we are considering all legal avenues to challenge this decision".I hope they are NOT getting legal aid!😡

Sue Hammond ● 2822d

So it does have dual nationality after all!👏"The Home Office is able to revoke IS bride Shamima Begum's British citizenship because she is dual national, Sky sources say."Great! 👍🏻Bangladesh is welcome to it.

Sue Hammond ● 2822d

Yes, as reported in the Torygraph

Michael Ixer ● 2822d

Always had faith in Sajid Javid to do this. Great work by the government and Sajid.

Nick Gulliford ● 2821d

Always had faith in Sajid Javid to do this. Great work by the government and Sajid.

Nick Gulliford ● 2821d

There is a letter in the Guardian this morning from Peter Nickol in Exeter which sums up my views exactly:“The arguments about Shamima Begum go back and forth. Bring her back on humanitarian grounds? Keep her out on security grounds? Both reactions miss the point. She should be brought back because she is our responsibility. The same applies to British males who went out to fight with IS. Stripping them of citizenship solves nothing; we shouldn’t be dumping our home-grown terrorists on other countries. We should take responsibility for these people. Assess them. Rehabilitate them if possible. Prevent them from doing further harm if necessary.”And I would add that we should also make sure that her new baby is looked after.Nick

Nicholas Evans ● 2821d

Thanks Nick.

Caroline Whitehead ● 2821d

I agree, Nick (Evans not Gulliford!). Javid's grandstanding on this is distasteful and clearly part of his bid for the post-May leadership. And he may well lose the case,  given that earlier returners, and they were men, overturned an exclusion by the Home Office.

Richard Carter ● 2821d

Sajid Javid has done what the majority of the British public want and I applaud him. 👏🏻 NO repatriation to the U.K. for the IS killers who have now been made redundant from their killing careers.  Let them rot where they are, wherever that may be. I doubt if many of them could be found anyway and why should we bother even trying?  Their atrocities were committed in Syria and if they are imprisoned there, that is where they should be tried. Hopefully Syria has the option of the death penalty. Parliament needs to act very quickly and pass a law that states anybody who leaves this country to go and fight with (or support) terrorist groups like IS, will be deemed traitors and their British citizenship will be automatically revoked, whether they were born here or not. Finally, we should reinstate capital punishment for treason. It was only abolished in 1998 by Blair's government. Apparently Begum is now hoping to get back with its jihadi husband and make a new life in the Netherlands.

Sue Hammond ● 2821d

"Sajid Javid has done what the majority of the British public want and I applaud him". Yes he weants to be the next PM.

Caroline Whitehead ● 2821d

John: Don't kill him! Sarah: "It", John. Not "him", "it". — Terminator 2: Judgment Day (Extended Cut) https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ItIsDehumanizing

David Ainsworth ● 2821d

Sue, your use of "it" and "it's" in the context of describing a human being is so incredibly offensive I am seriously thinking of reporting you.  You NEVER use language like this, whoever you're talking about, at least on a public forum.  Irrespective of any views you hold, this is absolutely despicable and I ask you to stop, I actually feel sick each time I see you have written it.

Bunny Payne ● 2821d

Same here Bunny. Sue shows her true light.

Lucille Grant ● 2821d

So true - and it's stupidly infantile as well as offensive, so thank you, Bunny , for making the point so strongly

Richard Carter ● 2821d

By dehumanising Shamina Begum Sue is behaving in very much the same way as ISIS does towards those it dislikes.

Caroline Whitehead ● 2821d

Unfortunately for Sajid Javid's self-serving attempt at cheap populism, it seems that Bangladesh does not accept her as a citizen , according to this [Guardian] report:Shamima Begum is not a Bangladeshi citizen and there is “no question” of her being allowed into Bangladesh, the country’s ministry of foreign affairs has insisted, despite Britain’s move to strip the teenager of her UK citizenship.“The government of Bangladesh is deeply concerned that [Begum] has been erroneously identified as a holder of dual citizenship,” Shahrial Alam, state minister of foreign affairs, said in a statement issued to the Guardian, adding that his government had learned of Britain’s move to cancel her citizenship rights from media reports.“Bangladesh asserts that Ms Shamima Begum is not a Bangladeshi citizen. She is a British citizen by birth and never applied for dual nationality with Bangladesh… There is no question of her being allowed to enter into Bangladesh.”

Richard Carter ● 2821d

@BunnyIf you want to report me that's your prerogative.

Sue Hammond ● 2821d

Some junior Home Office lawyer is now squirming at his or her desk, Javid's been given poor advice by someone's boss who said "find away we can withdraw her citizenship, and don't say can't". Some poor sod didn't check all the details in the rush to obey ...

Michael Ixer ● 2821d

I have seen some cynical speculation that Javid knew perfectly well what the situation was with her lack of Bangladeshi citizenship and took a decision in the knowledge that it would be overruled in the courts, giving him the opportunity to rail against 'unelected judges'.

James Elder ● 2821d

Do you (in plural and not for one person) find this whole thing revolting?I dislike whatever it is that this girl has done, but the way many are dismembering her is quite... revealing?And the government taking advantage???????

Ivonne Holliday ● 2821d

Some of the comments are distasteful but the teenager for whatever reason did agree to hold interviews, possibly and seemingly incorrectly, because she thought that might assist her being repatriated. On that basis she should expect to get criticised. She did support some nasty extremists so I can see there will be some extreme opposing views. The nature of today's reporting is such that if one puts one's heads above the parapet, etc. I'm more concerned at hate directed to, for example, MPs just trying to do their job?

Michael Ixer ● 2821d

I think under the circumstances, choice of the word dismembering is a trifle unfortunate.  Perhaps denaturalization is more appropriate

Barbara Shillabeer ● 2820d

"I'm more concerned at hate directed to, for example, MPs just trying to do their job?"Photo ID mandatory on Twitter could cut down on the crap. Using our own names on this group tends to keep things reasonably decent. Well, I know it works on me anyway.

David Ainsworth ● 2820d

I know I shouldn't laugh but that's a point well made Barbara.😸

Sue Hammond ● 2820d

Probably "dehumanise" fits the bill best.

Caroline Whitehead ● 2820d

And now the Times is reporting  (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/shamima-begum-bangladesh-shuns-stateless-isis-bride-ft7dh382f - paywall) that Javid is backtracking  as he's realised that Bangladeshi citizenship is not likely to be an option. He's been a fool, serves him right for being so opportunistic.

Richard Carter ● 2820d

Javid behaving same as usual. Never checks his facts first.

Lucille Grant ● 2820d

Think you are being a bit hasty Lucille.  In the past 2 years there have been 194 people issued with 'deprivation' orders.  Mostly terrorists. including Jihadi brides,extremists  and serious criminals. Perhaps he saw a precedent?

Barbara Shillabeer ● 2820d

Perhaps he saw a precedent? No, what he saw was the main chance for Sajid Javid. Fortunately, it's blown up in his face so he now looks the fool he is.

Richard Carter ● 2820d

There are rather better ways of dealing with Shamima Begum than Javid’s kneejerk attempt at a crowd-pleasing response, and here’s an example of a more sensible approach:In 2015, a British woman travels to join Daesh. In 2017 the individual flees Daesh-held territory with a new born baby and they make their way to Turkey. On arrival in Turkey the mother and the child are detained for entering the country illegally.Following the mother’s detention the British authorities are notified. DNA testing of the child is conducted to establish their entitlement to a British passport. Given that the mother has lived in Daesh-held territory, the Home Secretary and a judge approve the use of a Temporary Exclusion Order (TEO) to manage her return to the UK. The TEO allows us to specify the route of return to the UK and to impose obligations upon the individual once they return to help protect members of the public from a risk of terrorism.The mother and her child are subsequently deported to the UK from Turkey via the route specified by the TEO. On arrival in the UK the police launch an investigation into the woman’s activities in Syria to determine whether any crimes have been committed. If there is evidence that a crime has been committed then the mother will be charged and the Crown Prosecution Service will conduct criminal proceedings. If there is no evidence of criminality, the mother is assisted in reintegrating into society, for example, by requiring her to attend a series of sessions with a specially trained de-radicalisation mentor. In the meantime the mother is also obliged – as part of her TEO – to report regularly to a police station and to notify the Home Office of any change of address. The local authority is involved to ensure that the child is not at immediate risk and appropriate measures are put in place to help safeguard the child’s welfare.Who could argue with this approach? Certainly not the Home Office, because that’s exactly the illustrative example they gave in their very own paper “The United Kingdom’s Strategy for Countering Terrorism” (June 2018) ! Javid would be better advised reading his own reports before going ahead and stuffing his foot in his mouth.The details can be read here: pages 36-7 of  https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/716907/140618_CCS207_CCS0218929798-1_CONTEST_3.0_WEB.pdf

Richard Carter ● 2819d

Seems to be a perfectly sensible approach.

Michael Ixer ● 2819d

It does but in that example the women did not give regular tv and press interviews where she justified killing innocents in Manchester and where she was not fazed by severed heads in the bin ect. So had Ms Begun acted a little more contrite and remorseful things may well have gone by the book you quote.

Andy Pike ● 2819d

Here is a young woman who at 15, having been radicalised, went off to join ISIS, married a Jihadist and in the last four years has had three babies, two of whom died of malnutrition. ISIS made its last stand at Raqqua and when it fell after a fierce bombardment she ended up in a Kurdish refugee camp, while her husband is I gather held in another camp. Isn't this enough trauma for a young woman who is only nineteen and is recovering from the birth of her baby less than a week ago?It is likely that she is suffering from PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder). From the evidence of the interviews screened she is showing the symptoms – flatness of affect, emotional numbness, bewilderment. By all accounts she is an intelligent person and it would have been sensible to try to appear contrite, but she seems to have lost all sense of reality when she says that she thought people in Britain would have been more sympathetic.And now, when Bangladesh won't take her, what next? Months/years of legal wrangling while the Kurds are left (literally) holding the baby? The Home Office guidance quoted by Richard is the right way to deal with Shamima Begum.

Caroline Whitehead ● 2819d

All these negatives in her life of her own doing. Had the caliphate held Raqqa would she be fighting to bring home thedisplaced and stateless Syrians?She would more likely be parading their heads on sticks.

Andy Pike ● 2819d

Somewhat melodramatic! But doesn't explain why the Home Secretary is not following Home Office guidance.

Caroline Whitehead ● 2819d

Caroline, see my post on another thread, I think the HS is grandstanding and knows perfectly well that there are legal reasons why she will be allowed into the UK.As to her PTSD, etc, I agree and wish it was so, but I have grave doubts.  We can only go on what we've seen, but I can also imagine that she would love to chuck her baby at the nearest pair of welcoming British arms and then wrap a suicide bomb vest around herself.  Time will tell.

Bunny Payne ● 2819d

For an altogether more nuanced view of Shamina Begum, see her interview with Anthony Loyd in the Times that rather puts it in perspective. It's behind their paywall, so I'll just reproduce the first part of it below. "Twelve hours before she fell into the eye of a social, legal and political storm, almost nothing that Shamima Begum told me was of particular surprise. Sitting together for 90 minutes, one-to-one, in the yard of the al-Hawl refugee camp that afternoon a week ago, she spoke very much like every other member of a radical Islamic militant group I had ever met.Her lack of remorse? Her lack of regret? The failure to apologise? Her acceptance of the beheadings of journalists and aid workers?I was not surprised by any of it, and nor should anyone else be. After four years living in the so-called caliphate, with no access to the outside world beyond that given to her by her Dutch Isis husband, Ms Begum behaved and spoke in the precise and predictable manner of any other indoctrinated member of Islamic State, among whose devotees she still lives at al-Hawl.To expend anger over her point of view is a waste of energy. To expect different is naive. Over the past 25 years I have met jihadists in Bosnia, Chechnya, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria. They always sound the same.Moreover, far from being removed from the thrall of the Isis death cult, the young British woman radicalised as a 15-year-old girl continues to live kettled within its confines. Most of the 40,000 people in al-Hawl camp belong to Isis families, and discipline is rigidly enforced there by foreign members of al-Khansaa, the all-female Isis morality police who burn down tents and beat women accused of transgression in the camp."Full article here: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/decoding-shamima-begum-why-we-shouldnt-be-surprised-by-her-lack-of-remorse-mbgxdbtzf

Richard Carter ● 2819d

So even Bethnal Green Muslims agree with Javid. Let 'the nurse' continue her work tending IS fighters.Anyway, she has 2 more years to take up her Bangladeshi citizenship.  No wonder they denied her so quickly.

Barbara Shillabeer ● 2818d

My every instinct screams that we should prevent Begum returning to the UK at all costs and refuse her the privilege that is British citizenship.  Remove her legal right to return and use her as a very public example to others. Leave her to rot. But I agree with Nick Evan and Richard Carter's posts.  She is Britain's problem.With responsibility comes great power (no I'm not misquoting Spiderman). I believe we need to own this problem, take responsibility for Begum and her poisonous inculcation.  Responsibility, rehabilitation and in time redemption.  Put this woman and her child at the centre of  building a greater campaign to extinguish the false glory of an ideological Caliphate preached inside British mosques since the 70s.

Sarah Roberts ● 2817d

And the Yasidi women sold into sexual slavery at 1o years old and then slaughtered when they had served their purpose? What do you say to them about these women who stood by and watched this happen and can only reference them as heads in a bin!!

Andy Pike ● 2817d

Well, what would you have done with the Germans in 1945?

David Ainsworth ● 2817d

Oh gawd uncle Albert during the war. Thought hung the British Lord Hawhaw for treason we didn't bring him back to UK to re educate.

Andy Pike ● 2817d

Reference quote from Wikipedia: "Joyce was then taken to London and tried at the Old Bailey on three counts of high treason". He was brought back to the UK and put through the judicial process and punished according to the laws prevailing at that time.

Michael Ixer ● 2817d

this is a tricky one, but on balance I believe she should face her accusers in a court of law, if there is enough evidence of wrong doing to revoke her citizenship there should be enough evidence to convict her of whatever crimes she is accused of.

Adam Tripp ● 2817d

My point has been side tracked by uncle Albert.What about the poor Yasidi women and children sold as sex slaves by this regime whilst she looked on and went unfazed by their heads in bins ? Does the civilised world not owe them more than this terrorist ?

Andy Pike ● 2817d

This is moving towards perhaps having a UN International Criminal Tribunal to investigate and where appropriate prosecute ISIS members and sympathisers?

Michael Ixer ● 2817d

What is with the "radicalised" bit as if it is in some a way a reason/excuse for sub-human behaviour?"It's not my fault, I've been radicalised."Personally I hope that the Begum thing drags on through the courts for years and hopefully by that time IT would have died a miserable death in the Syrian hell hole she adopted as home.

Simon Knight ● 2817d

Yes Simon more sympathy on hear for a 15 year old who made her own choices having been well educated as against the 10 years olds taken from their homes by force to life of slavery and rape.

Andy Pike ● 2817d

She is married to a Dutch citizen, so let her return to Holland, which she has expressed a desire to do, and face war crime charges in The Hague.

Chantal Blake-Milton ● 2817d

Andy, the whole Yashidi situation is horrific and I wish there was more publicity about this.  These people (those who are still alive) are being treated worse than animals and this is being done in the name of the Muslim faith.But in the Begum situation, she was born here and radicalised here.  We can't in good conscience just try and dump her on another country, why should they take her?  In no way do I wish she could come back here and live a good life.  I think she needs to have many, many months of interrogation and then put into some kind of programme to try and rehabilition.But many people will say, after all that interrogation, she may become MORE radicalised, so therein is a dilemma.  Personally I would to all of the above and make sure her little boy is taken off her as soon as she steps on these shores and given to a kind adoptive family.  Punishment enough.

Bunny Payne ● 2817d

Another 'straw man' argument from Pvte Pike: "more sympathy on hear [sic] for a 15 year old who made her own choices" blah blah.There has been *no* sympathy on here for her, only arguments that she should be treated according to the parliamentary law, not lynch law, whatever the consequences. There is, though, sympathy for her blameless baby, which is a different matter entirely.

Richard Carter ● 2817d

Ha ha Richard how hilarious ... Private Pike never heard that before .Straw man eh . That's your view of sympathy for enskaved women and children . But as you are always right I suppose you should be proud.

Andy Pike ● 2817d

I am sorry but your answer is very short of funny or fair.Of course, do not tell your name, Pike is hilarious.The situation we are in at the moment is anything but!Helping one person will do not solve the problems of many.However, suddenly, the press is full of repentant people trying to return to the UK.But, as you seem to be always right, you will provide shelter for all those enslaved women and children while stating immigration must be closed!No! You may be able to help one person at a time, but not all of them at the same time.I dislike ISIS as much as you do, but that does not mean that my understanding of humanity has deserted me.Should we help Shamima?  I agree that I am not convinced, but it does not mean I will wilfully wish her dead or mistreated.

Ivonne Holliday ● 2817d

Don't think j have suggested anywhere she should be mistreated or have wished her dead. Yes I do believe that uncontrolled immigration should be controlled but that is very different from offering shelter and aid to those persecuted elsewhere. You really should try and avoid mixing begum and brexit and I do not claim to be right but am entitled to an opinion right or wrong.

Andy Pike ● 2817d

I have not mixed  Begum with Brexit - what an infantile idea!Of course you are entitled to your opinion, I never said anything against it.What I do say, hand in heart, is that immigration is not a problem, uncontrolled one is.  And the UK government chose to follow this route.They could have stopped some Eastern European people arriving at Hyde Park and not respecting it.That is miles away from a sensible and considered approach, the one I think we should all take!

Ivonne Holliday ● 2817d

Give up on the Private Pike 'jokes' Richard. It wasn't funny the first time and they're not funny now.🙄

Sue Hammond ● 2817d

It seems we agree on immigration

Andy Pike ● 2817d

Thanks Sue but it was hilarious 50years or so ago and I'm very used to it but it is a bit old hat so not even worthy of a snigger these days

Andy Pike ● 2817d

Yes, Andy, I'm sure you're immune to this now. I'm bemused by the number of people that think Michael/Mike/M Ixer is the first time I've been called MIXER; after 60+ years ?!Doesn't worry me and saying "Ixer, it's spelt like MIXER without the M" is quite useful at theatre bars, etc ...

Michael Ixer ● 2817d

Here's a more considered response to the Shamima Begum affair in a newspaper editorial : I wonder if you can guess where it came from?RESPECT THE RULE OF LAW Having voluntarily travelled to Syria to join the pitiless fanatics of Islamic State, why should we allow Shamima Begum back into Britain?She has shown no remorse, and many will sympathise with Home Secretary Sajid Javid’s decision to revoke her citizenship.But are we being too hasty? Hard cases make bad law, they say, and this is one of the hardest. Much as we may regret it, Begum is British. For all her transgressions, she was made in England.Shouldn’t she therefore come back to face British justice?This country’s constitution is built on the rule of law. It’s what sets us apart from savages like those of Islamic State.

Richard Carter ● 2816d

... And no cheating by using Google etc !

Richard Carter ● 2816d

Those who say Ms Begum should come back to the UK and be dealt with under our laws miss the point that it's hard to say which UK law (if any) she broke. Leaving the country isn't an offence, and it seems that reportedly, before she left, the only "bad" thing she did was fish for cash in her mother's handbag to help pay for the trip. Any crimes which she may have committed occurred in the so-called IS --a place over which the UK has no jurisdiction. The absence of an identifiable UK crime appears to be what persuaded the Home Secretary to try to strip her of her UK citizenship and pass the buck to Bangladesh. I can see her fate being decided (no doubt belatedly) by an international court. There is another point worthy of note. The things she has been saying, and the unguarded way she said them, suggest that Ms Begun is far from clever. That adds to the tragedy.

Alexander MacLeod ● 2816d

Those who say Ms Begum should come back to the UK and be dealt with under our laws miss the point that it's hard to say which UK law (if any) she broke. Leaving the country isn't an offence, and it seems that reportedly, before she left, the only "bad" thing she did was fish for cash in her mother's handbag to help pay for the trip. Any crimes which she may have committed occurred in the so-called IS --a place over which the UK has no jurisdiction. The absence of an identifiable UK crime appears to be what persuaded the Home Secretary to try to strip her of her UK citizenship and pass the buck to Bangladesh. I can see her fate being decided (no doubt belatedly) by an international court. There is another point worthy of note. The things she has been saying, and the unguarded way she said them, suggest that Ms Begun is far from clever. That adds to the tragedy.

Alexander MacLeod ● 2816d

By all accounts Shamima Begum was an "A" student at her Bethnal Green school. So why does she appear so unguarded and stupid now? See my post of 22/2.

Caroline Whitehead ● 2816d

A grades don't necessarily mean a pupil is wise.

Alexander MacLeod ● 2816d

Evil and cunning.  She now claims that she wants to "inspire British girls not to make the same mistakes" and on video asks politicians to re-evaluate her case "with some mercy in their hearts" also stating that she does not want her baby to return to the UK.Most "British girls" don't make these kind of "mistakes" and where was the mercy in her heart when viewing, "unfazed" decapitated heads in a basket?  Send her to the Hague with her Dutch husband.

Chantal Blake-Milton ● 2816d

Her responses seem naïve. She may be an A grade student (not sure what subjects) but wisdom comes from synthesising knowledge with experience. (As the example goes: knowledge is tomatoes are a fruit; wisdom is not putting them in fruit salads ...) Maybe she's changing her attitude based on her experiencing negative responses to her earlier comments? I think she may have broken UK terrorist laws, although I've not checked that in detail. At the moment it appears her only nationality is British, so she's basically the UK's problem although as she's no obvious means of getting back to the UK that's her problem! (She hasn't applied for Bangladeshi or Dutch nationality as far as I'm aware and there seems to be doubts about whether either would accept her. The UK expects foreign spouses to do a citizen test, so I expect Holland does as well?)

Michael Ixer ● 2816d

"Send her to the Hague" - for what, exactly? So far the only evidence I've seen is that she has unwisely offered despicable opinions, and however unpleasant that is, it is not a war crime. People need to think before putting fingers to keyboard.

Richard Carter ● 2816d

Some people need to think before being so quick to dismiss the opinions of others.Prosecuting Crimes of International Concern:  Islamic State at the ICC?www.utrechtjournal.org/articles/10.5334/ujiel.364/What will happen to Shamima Begum, and other British ISIS suspects?www.independent.co.uk News World Middle East

Chantal Blake-Milton ● 2816d

Superficially impressive, but your references simply don't support your argument.The Utrecht Journal paper considers in detail whether the actions of IS can be considered a war crime, in particular, actions "where a person ‘[o]rders, solicits or induces the commission of [a crime within the jurisdiction of the Court] which in fact occurs or is attempted."Where is your evidence that Shamima Begum is guilty of such actions?The Independent is a generic link to articles about the Middle East, with nothing at all that is relevant or significant.Perhaps ,you posted the wrong links…

Richard Carter ● 2816d

Here we are, Chantal, Private Eye has some suggestions:

Richard Carter ● 2816d

I had always assumed that joining a terrorist (to the UK) organisation was illegal.  I guess that begs the question, was ISIS classed as a terrorist organisation and does being a "Jihadi Bride" mean joining.Such a minefield, but it is up to our judicial system to sort it out.  And while they're at it, firm up a few laws like, leaving the country to join an anti-UK terrorist organisation automatically revokes your British citizenship.I know one person's terrorist is another's freedom fighter, but that's where the laws have to be really clear.

Bunny Payne ● 2816d

Well, the law could certainly do with clarification, but we couldn't make leaving the country to join an anti-UK terrorist organisation automatically revoke anyone's British citizenship - unless, that is, they have dual nationality for reasons explained earlier. This is a complex issue and simple solutions won't work .

Richard Carter ● 2816d

Very valid points Bunny, which are in some part answered in the Independent link I posted.Are Britons who joined ISIS liable for prosecution in the UK?Yes, according to a govt. spokesman on Thursday "Any British citizen who does return from taking part in the conflict must be in no doubt they will be questioned, investigated, and potentially prosecuted".  The Begum case has triggered extensive new powers to deal with a flood of such returnees, including prosecution for membership of such a proscribed group.Can the family of ISIS members face charges?Any adults known to have lived in ISIS's self-declared caliphate will face criminal investigation whether they fought or not.Dozens of relatives in the UK have been jailed for "terrorist fund-raising" after sending their loved ones money is ISIS territories.

Chantal Blake-Milton ● 2815d

I suspect they will have to reinstate it.We are signatories to an international agreement that says no person can be made stateless, and since Begum has no other other citizenship than British, it should not be removed.I make no comment about her actions, or her age when she left, or her child, but she is entitled to return to the UK by international law. She should then face the consequences of her actions....

Sean Hodges ● 2813d

Chantal. Thanks for clarifying, I thought that was probably the case but hadn't got around to checking.

Michael Ixer ● 2813d