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Went to the meeting tonight and just managed to get a seat. Yes the Church was packed and Zac Goldsmith had to run the meeting in two parts - the first part ended after about an hour and then we all left and the large number of people queuing outside came in for a rerun. Zac stressed that there will be several more meetings as matters unfold and that Justine and he and other local MPs (who?) will be hoping to lobby the Government for funds when costs are clearer.On the platform were Zac Goldsmith, a local Councillor, two representatives from TFL - Nick Fairholme who seemed more senior and Bob ? who talked about the buses. Also someone called Paul Murphy who didn't say anything. Zac said that he had invited Hamm & Fulham but they declined; he was very critical of H&F and, given a bit of political bias, I think he was right, as of course they own the Bridge and are central to any action. Mind you they would have come in for a great deal of hostility had they attended. It was quite an angry and vociferous meeting!It was left to Nick Fairholme from TFL who is working with H&F to explain what is happening. Although there were various suggestions from the floor ranging from  demolishing the Bridge to building a Bailey Bridge alongside, he seemed adamant that the Bridge can and will be repaired. First the damage to the iron and wood structure of the Bridge will have to be assessed and costed which will be clearer by August. Then comes the design process, tendering and then the construction work. All this will take roughly three years. Groans from the floor!Then Bob ? talked about the Buses and came in for a lot of flak - especially about the 209 and the loss of the 72. He kept assuring us that everything is still under consultation and urged us to look at the website and contribute opinions. The question about extending the 22 to Barnes came up again and he did say that the 485 may become more frequent, but we have heard all that before haven't we? The possibility of running a shuttle from the Bridge to Hammersmith Tube/Bus station was mooted and it seems some rickshaw owners are also interested.It seems that we are in for a long haul I'm afraid.

Caroline Whitehead ● 2715d

I have copied an pasted these comments on last night's meetings from another forum....TFL was given responsibility for the bridge by H& F council about three weeks ago and that it was found to be repairable.H &F not only failed to attend, they had not replied to any emails or calls Zac and his team had made about the open meeting. Apparently this is not unusual.TFL's bridge project delivery expert - Nick (?) Spoke and answered questions and the more the bridge is surveyed the more issues are being found. The process is that these findings and initial early costs will be published in August. Then that goes to tender. Then the works begin. One resident said they spoke to Mott McDonald and were told the actual repairs should take around 18 months - so the 3 years seemed like lots of administration. TFL assured the attendees he would ensure the process took as little time as possible.The bus guy said they were doing surveys - people were furious at that...and one resident said - listen to us, look at the petition. The bus guy said he'd seen the 800 signatures - he was corrected and told it was now over 1000. Another resident said changes were made quickly in April without a survey, so should be made quickly now. Zac asked the bus guy if he would commit to reviewing and changing the 209 quickly. He didn't answer and Zac said- just say yes. He did then say yes, but I didn't believe him. See the full lot at...http://tangytango.proboards.com/thread/9960/hammersmith-bridge-closure?page=47

Adrian Pearce ● 2714d

https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/5b6e9a15/The new routes reduce the service provided in Barnes and Mortlake – can this be improved?The overall number of buses in the area is about the same as before but do serve different locations.  We are continuing to monitor the capacity provided; for example we introduced extra journeys on the 33 on Monday 3 June (see below).    Route 72The removal of bus 72 south of Hammersmith has reduced accessibility to Roehampton University. Can this be improved in the future?  Customers can reach Roehampton from Hammersmith by using the 220 and 265.  Route 220 parallels the 72 between East Acton and Hammersmith and then runs south via Putney Bridge.  Customers can change at Putney Bridge to route 265, which then runs via Roehampton Lane serving the University. However, we are reviewing the situation as there have been requests for a restored direct link between the southern end of Hammersmith Bridge and Roehampton Lane. The removal of bus 72 south of Hammersmith has reduced accessibility to Queen Mary Hospital. Can this be improved in the future?Customers can reach Roehampton from Hammersmith by using the 220 and 265.  Route 220 parallels the 72 between East Acton and Hammersmith and then runs south via Putney Bridge.  Customers can change at Putney Bridge to route 265, which then runs via Roehampton Lane serving the University. However, we are reviewing the situation as there have been requests for a restored direct link between the southern end of Hammersmith Bridge and Roehampton Lane.     Route 33Can the frequency of Route 33 be increased?We introduced extra journeys on the 33 on Monday 3 June to give 10 buses an hour during the peak periods. We are continuing to monitor the situation.     Route 533Can the frequency of Route 533 be increased?We will look at the frequency of the route but currently have no plans to increase the frequency.Is Route 533 Hail and Ride?Route 533 is not Hail and Ride.Can TfL review the timetables for 533 and 419 so they are staggered?We will look into staggering the timetables, but it may vary by direction    Route 209The stops on route 209 are quite far apart, can extra stops be added?We are looking at additional stops on Barnes High Street, but this depends on approvals by the London Borough of Richmond upon ThamesCould the 209 be extended to serve Kew Retail Park?We do not consider that there would be sufficient demand to justify an extension of the 209 to Kew Retail Park. It is already served by existing route R68 and customers can use the 419 from the Barnes area and change in the Chalker’s Corner area. Could the 209 bus serve south of the river to Hammersmith Bridge?We are continuing to monitor and review the situation as there have been requests for a restored direct link from the southern end of Hammersmith Bridge via the previous 209 routeing to Mortlake Avondale Road for people who want to walk across the bridge from Hammersmith Tube Station.Can extra serves be provided to reduce crowding?Our data does not indicate that route 209 is overcrowded. We introduced extra journeys on the 33 on Monday 3 June to give 10 buses an hour during the peak periods. We are continuing to monitor the situation.     Route 22Could route 22 be extended to Barnes?We are not currently considering extending the route 22 to Barnes. It would extend an already long route which impact route reliability and be expensive compared to the benefits. The current diversion of the 209 gives a high frequency link between Barnes and Putney Bridge where passengers can change to the 22.

Adrian Pearce ● 2714d

Caroline that was what I was writing about.  It was switched to the church as Wetlands not big enough!More details of what was said here...https://www.hammersmithbridge.org.uk/l/newsThere was a Q&A session at St Michael and All Angels Church in Elm Bank Gardens tonight. In fact, there were two sessions, because the meeting was so over-subscribed.After presentations by both councils and Transport for London, the meeting was opened up to questions from the floor.The key points I noted were:    Although a show of hands indicated that most people want the bridge to be reopened to motorised traffic, the main concern was the recent changes to bus routes by TfL. The alterations to the 209 and 72 routes, in particular, have annoyed residents. The TfL spokesman said that they were considering further changes, but any change can take 4-6 weeks to implement because they have to negotiate with the bus companies.    Hammersmith and Fulham are trying to start an electric buggy shuttle service across the bridge. They hope to do this within 3-4 weeks. They have been hampered by the shortage of suitable vehicles, such as golf buggies. Only two firms in the country actually make suitable vehicles.    LBHF are trying hard to allow ambulances to cross the bridge. Interestingly, the emergency services say that the closure of the bridge hasn't affected their response times.    All of those involved would like to allow single-deck buses (which weigh 9.5 tonnes) to cross the bridge. However, double deck buses, at 19 tonnes, would be too heavy.    I was cheered to hear that "restoration to Victorian splendour" doesn't necessarily mean going back to 20,000 cars a day. The number of vehicles may have to be limited in the future. The use of tolls to pay for repairs wasn't ruled out.    Various other fanciful schemes were discussed, such as building a second bridge, demolishing and replacing the bridge, selling the bridge to the USA and building a tunnel under the river. This last suggestion comes from LBHF and was presented as a serious proposition.    LBHF are currently surveying the bridge, and this will finish in August. After that, they will be able to give more details on the costs and timescales of repairs.The answers to many questions can be found on the Hammersmith & Fulham website.And don't forget, there is a consultation on LBRUT's website about the bridge, which must be answered by 16th July.

Adrian Pearce ● 2701d

I hope that as Chair of TfL Sadiq Khan will be there, or at least a member of the board.  It would be interesting to know if the Mayor's Good Growth Fund could be used for repairs.  One of its aims is "Making Better Places"..."Building on existing assets and qualities to make the city more liveable, making the best use of buildings, the spaces between buildings and supporting infrastructure" and "will help Londoners play a key role in shaping the future of their communities, by supporting projects which boost local economies, improve the environment and bring people together"The website states that last year he gave £30m to various projects, and selects the following examples - £1.2m to improve the Polka Theatre and around £670,000 in aid to carers in the LGBTQ community in five boroughs, including Hammersmith and Fulham.Ironically, the last meeting held by his former mayoral rival Zac Goldsmith clashed with a "Mums Against Muggings" meeting in Richmond which Goldsmith was obviously  unable to attend.  The hall was full, with people standing outside, to raise concerns about the systemised gangs operating in what was previously one of the safest London boroughs.  In early May, two boys in Richmond Park were mugged by eight black youths for their mobile phones according to Metro.com and pictures of those waiting outside Richmond station to mug schoolchildren getting of the train have been shared on the Nextdoor forum.We have a crisis in London's crime levels, and now a "climate crisis" caused by the closure of a vital Grade II listed bridge.  Khan is fiddling while Rome burns.

Chantal Blake-Milton ● 2701d