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I think slightly spurious stillYou’re asking people to choose between two things - - would you like a packet of sweets or a bag of crisps, whilst you may want both if you’re asked to choose you have to pick one, it doesn’t mean you’re not supportive of the other.I’m now in my early 50s so am a child of the thatcher era (why I support the Torres historically) and when I grew up we all thought of ourselves as British.  By nature as nationalism has grown and taken a larger grip in Scotland if many Scots start to define themselves primarily as Scottish rather then British and support anyone but England etc, then some people elsewhere would start more to define themselves more locally too.  To be fair this is not just a British phenomenon (Catalonia being the obvious recent example)Just so you can tut at my heathen view on the matter, I think it far better if we stay together as a united island here, but if the Scots really wanted to separate at the end of the day I would say that whilst I personally think it would be a mistake, I do think it should be their choice.  I do think that they would be poorer for it at least initially, however if they were strongly pro being their own country and that unlocked other perceived benefits for them then so be it.  I would feel sorry for the minority who had by then lost!Regarding Northern Ireland I think a slightly different matter as geographically separate from here, but I’ve always thought the status of Northern Ireland to be either a part of the uk, a part of the republic, or independent is up to them.  Whilst they are I think quite heavily subsidised by elsewhere in the uk, it is relatively minor, and i would suspect in their own time they may come to a better peace with the republic - geographically that would make more sense.

Mike Warman ● 2700d

These events would happen because we would be out of the largest trading bloc in the world, with the border issues and delays that that would involve, after ~40 years of integration.  They would happen because the foundational EU legislation setting minimum standards or rights (both for the UK as a country and for us as citizens) would no longer be there, so standards could be lowered or dropped altogether by the government of the day.  They would happen because non-English parts of the country better understand the benefits of being in the EU, and would rather be out of the UK and in the EU than the other way around.  They would happen because qualifications gained here would no longer be recognised elsewhere within the EU, companies would choose to move to remain within the EU rather than our of it, and fundamental rights we have as EU citizens would be lost.Many of these things are actually already happening.  Some will happen worse in the event of a no deal.  No impact of Brexit would be ‘better’ than what we have today.The music industry is a good example of the loss of employment, where it is people needing to cross borders rather than other goods:https://jessicamusic.blogspot.com/2018/11/why-we-stand-to-lose-our-leading-place.htmlhttps://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/apr/03/brexit-effects-on-british-pop-classical-musichttps://www.wsj.com/articles/brexit-strikes-a-bum-note-for-u-k-artists-as-eu-gigs-dry-up-11560771000 and for the car industry, no, it wasn’t just about diesel: https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/17471496.honda-reveals-it-had-plans-to-make-electric-cars-in-swindon-before-plant-closure/Qualifications/permits gained in the UK no longer being recognised:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/rollsroyce-moves-design-approval-for-engines-from-derby-to-germany-a8679821.htmlhttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-31/easyjet-moves-pilots-to-new-licenses-to-stem-no-deal-brexit-risk From October 2018: http://theconversation.com/brexit-has-already-hurt-eu-and-non-eu-exports-by-up-to-13-new-research-105334 From August 2018https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/15/no-deal-brexit-young-people-cultural-connections https://alisonmortonauthor.com/2018/08/on-being-british-in-europe-now/ This website is regularly updated: https://smallbusinessprices.co.uk/brexit-index/ .  Figures for May 29th show 233 931 jobs already lost, and we haven’t even left yet.

Clare Noeken ● 2700d

BREAKING UP THE UKElectricity is a good example here, where Northern Ireland are better off in the EU than they would be in a post-Brexit UK:https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/brexit-government-plan-for-electricity-barges-in-irish-sea-should-northern-ireland-be-cut-off-37108625.html https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-45657966https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/trading-electricity-if-theres-no-brexit-deal/trading-electricity-if-theres-no-brexit-dealhttps://www.irishtimes.com/business/energy-and-resources/northern-ireland-threat-to-all-island-electricity-market-1.3829546https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ireland-france-electricity-cable-supply-uk-brexit-single-market-a8933116.html Higher Prices in the shopshttps://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/no-deal-brexit-birds-eye-14013943https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/25/no-deal-brexit-could-raise-price-of-mince-by-50-meat-industry-sayshttps://www.theguardian.com/food/2018/sep/15/food-and-brexit-will-the-cupboard-be-bare-jay-rayner https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jan/04/no-deal-brexit-would-be-catastrophic-uk-farmers-warns-nfu and no, we can’t ‘just go WTO’: http://www.ictsd.org/opinion/nothing-simple-about-uk-regaining-wto-status-post-brexit Environmental protectionshttps://www.businessgreen.com/bg/news-analysis/3074785/significant-regression-mps-blast-governments-post-brexit-green-protection-plansNHS, food quality and consumer rights vs the USA.  Trade deals mean trade offs.https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/us-lobbyists-brexit_uk_5c5b26c6e4b00187b5579f64https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46746015 Impact on the NHSI’ve posted about this before, but here’s a relevant article: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanonc/article/PIIS1470-2045(19)30183-4/fulltext .  Just google the Lancet and Brexit, and you’ll find lots.Other impacts: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-medicine-shortage-eu-china-us-drug-stockpile-a8779321.htmlhttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/31/prescription-drug-brexit-pharmacy-supply-chains-shortagesDrugs trials would not apply to the UK: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-45727317

Clare Noeken ● 2700d