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Liberal sympathy for paedophiles in the modern world

After the many years of the BBC turning a blind eye to their own paedophilia within, and the MSM covering up for many years the child grooming gang culture in the UK, this recent Ted talk video is worth a watch as it sums up the modern Europe.I'd imaging a few of the Liberals on this site agree with this girls speech, typical of the Liberal view these days.https://twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1150230972761350144

Paul Game ● 2677d20 Comments

Blimey, where do you find this stuff Paul?Hard for us older generation to come to terms with the acceptable social norms of today.Like you said, sadly many will probably think she is making a fair point.

Mike Essam ● 2677d

Paul, I'm not sure about the justification for your statement. I don't think Jimmy Saville was a member of the Liberal party? I seem to remember that in the 1970s and/or 80s an organisation called PIE tried to justify their illegal actions? I'm not sure many will will be sympathetic her view? it might raise the question of the balance of punishment versus treatment? The primary aim should be to protect children and that might mean trying to understand the motivation of these people because, as with most crimes, preventing them rather than subsequently punishing the criminal is a better outcome for the potential victims? Interspersing with question marks as Im not sure what the answer is.

Michael Ixer ● 2677d

Honestly Mike, you should see some of the stuff I read and watch on social media. It's a different world to what the BBC peddles.The liberal left often prefer to turn a blind eye to paedophilia and the grooming gangs. Instead they prefer to criticise the persons that bravely bring the stories into the public domain. They often weirdly have sympathy for the perpetrators. It beggars belief!This particular ted talk is typical of what I see on social media from the liberal left.The MSM aren't interested in the victims stories.Take Owen Jones of the Guardian for instance, hes not the slightest bit interested in these crimes. He prefers to call everyone 'racist' that brings these stories to the forefront.This ted talk aside, there are some fantastic educating presentations on ted talk so worth looking it up on YouTube.

Paul Game ● 2677d

Paul. I'd agree that there is some great educational and entertainment material on the internet but there's also lot of misleading information, fake news and erroneous scientific material, etc, and - from my professional involvement in a some You Tube video/financial website take downs - a lot of fraudulent content oiut there. Proceed with caution ...

Michael Ixer ● 2677d

Fair point Michael thank-you.Wouldn't you agree that the world is going mad with presentations like this one, saying we need to have sympathy with paedophiles?

Paul Game ● 2677d

I seem to remember some people saying the world had gone mad in the 1960s with rock stars living with rather than marrying their girlfriends and sometimes swapping them, openly experimenting with drugs, etc - but we did have Apollo so there was great innovation as well as social change! The world is still changing and technological advances can be used for good or bad, I suspect the fringe sentiments aren't new it's just that the internet makes it easier for everyone to get their 15 minutes of fame. Fortunately, the Paedephile  Information Exchange couldn't create a website in the 1970/80s but the US first amendment let's the Ku Klux Klan have one. I sometime think it's better to get these things into the open so they can be challenged and controlled rather than to bottle them up and have them bubbling under the surface - not sure about where the boundaries should be around that?

Michael Ixer ● 2677d

Paul:The young girl in the video is saying that paedophilia "is an unchangeable sexual orientation" that she seems to think people born with. This is plain wrong and nothing to do with liberal views - however one defines "liberal".

Caroline Whitehead ● 2677d

It's everything to do with liberal views.Just a quick google search lists plenty of articles where the liberal judges are letting off paedophiles.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5239755/Almost-half-child-groomers-let-jail-judges.htmlBelieve me if the judges were old school with conservative values, they would jail the lot of them!

Paul Game ● 2677d

I have just been watching "Three Girls" on Netflix and it seems to have been a very confused and ignorant view at that time.Bottom line, sex with a girl is statutory rape under the age of 16, not matter what the circumstances.

Bunny Payne ● 2677d

Paul. I have to say I find that comment a little insulting. I and many of my friends have liberal views but I don't think any of us tolerate child abuse, particularly where that involves sexual activity with anyone under age. And my American friends are shocked by the way their current administration is separating immigrant children from their families and locking them up in appealing condition which in most people's minds is also child abuse. I'm surprised by the reports in the article you posted, I would have expected stronger sentences for on line grooming activities in all cases. However, I must admit I don't know what the sentencing guidelines are for these offences; is it the guidelines the need reviewing, or are these judges seriously out of line with the guidelines in which case the CPS could surely cha!lenge these sentences?

Michael Ixer ● 2677d

Liberal left=paedophile enablers.Utter crap.How about socially conservative right=neo-Nazis?Just as childish right?There is a plethora of different views, opinions, moral stances and political leanings in the world. Some are stupid, some abhorrent, some downright ridiculous.You might fare better trying to justify your own beliefs rather than indulging in such tawdry smearing of other peoples'. I'm on the liberal right. Please refrain from finding a simplistic label for me too.

Michael Winstanley ● 2677d

Nobody know's how many children have gone missing or abducted, or murdered even. I hadn't even heard the word paedo until I was in my 30's. Look at Gary Glitter who went abroad all the time and put in prison. Wasn't there a house in Rocks Lane young children used to be taken. If they have money they can keep things covered up for years, it comes out when they have died these days, when it's to late. Or vulnerable who are scared to speak out and have nobody that can listen and help them. I hope the paedo's have the same done in prison and nobody believes them.

Barbara Stevens ● 2677d

How about this article in June from the Times to prove my point.'Paedophiles found watching child sex images should escape prosecution and be sent on "life skills" courses to ease the pressure on the justice system. Absolutely abhorrent! This country is turning into a joke.https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/paedophiles-may-be-let-off-first-offence-93mg2n925@Michael WinstanleyDo you think this article in the Times is a right wing view  or a liberal view?Do you think the woman doing the Ted talk has right wing tendencies or liberal tendencies?Give me a break! Are you for real?

Paul Game ● 2676d

Well said Michael.  You took the words out of my mouth.  Utter crap.Ignore.

Sarah Roberts ● 2676d

Paul, I find it distasteful that Ted talks would give this girl a platform. A talk about normalising paedophilia is pretty disturbing.Similarly a few on the thread whilst entitled to their opinion are challenging your point about liberals, but they themselves have made no mention of, or condemned the girls view on paedophilia in the video or challenged the article you sent a link to.It proves the earlier point you made.

Mike Essam ● 2676d

Thanks Mike,Unfortunately you get a few one liners on this forum from time to time from the likes of Sarah who has nothing to offer the debate.I appreciate living in Putney many people will disagree with my view, whereas if I lived in a working class Brexit area I would probably be more popular lol 🤣😂🤣Joking aside, it's fine though, I welcome people disagreeing with me. That's what the forum is all about.

Paul Game ● 2676d

Firstly, this thread is getting confusing to follow: to many Mikes, Michaels (particularly for me as outside of this forum I'm normally known as Mike 🙂)Secondly, perhaps there's a need to look at what liberty means: it's about consent, protecting freedoms and individuals' rights. So liberty is about protecting the rights of everyone, including minors. Given that we determine minors cannot consent to sex then it's implicit that those who are libertarian support the rights of minors which mean they are against paedoplilia which would impinge the rights of those minors. QEDMust admit although not a surprise to see this video us on the internet I was surprised to see it as a TED. talk - not exactly technology, entertainment or design is it - but I see RED now encompass a wide range of  scientific, cultural, political, and academic topics - I should have realised as the cosmology, astronomy and astrophysics ones I've watched in the past aren't strictly in the original TED definition ... suppose this video comes into the psychology category?

Michael Ixer ● 2676d

@MichaelI believe we broadly agree regarding the TED speech and the Daily mail article so please don't be offended, but apologies if you were.Anyway maybe time to draw a line under this thread now.Whilst on the subject of TED talks I have watched many online talks in the past and we probably agree that many of the subjects are inspiring and educating apart from this particular one.So I would recommend them generally to people that haven't watched them before.As you mentioned a variety of interesting subjects are on offer.

Paul Game ● 2676d

@Paul. Thanks, apology accepted. Yes, let's draw a line under this one. There is something about liberalism that I took away from the Open Rights Group conference last Saturday that I'll post for debate later when I've got time, but I'll open a new topic for it.Yes, lots of good stuff around on the internet as well as TED: the OU have a lot of free stuff now, there's Coursera ...

Michael Ixer ● 2676d

@Michael Ixer 14/07/19 20:20:00"And my American friends are shocked by the way their current administration is separating immigrant children from their families and locking them up in appealing condition which in most peoples minds is also child abuse.'Hi Michael. Were your American friends equally shocked when Abama initiated the practice of separating immigrant children from their parents? Trump has consistently been attacked by the Democrats and sections of the MSM over this issue but he was only continuing what Abama had started. Even Thomas Homan, who was Obama’s executive associate director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) for nearly four years confirmed this.https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/baracks-ice-chief-cages-were-obamas-idea

Sue Hammond ● 2676d