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The adjacent Wildcroft Manor apartments will have a residents association and so on, so they could submit a bid without difficulty.  The fact that they have not, nor has anyone else it telling, it suggests to me that there is little interest from the community in terms of protecting the pub from being 'lost'.  I was partially involved in the successful applications to list Wandsworth Park as an ACV and the Sea Scout hut on the Embankment, (which Wandsworth wanted to kick the scouts out of).  The latter was the first successful application to Richmond Council.  The difference with those two bids is that the bidders had a very real interest in their application with "skin in the game".Getting 21 random names for a bid may be successful, but the problem will be later down the line.  There is little point in making a successful bid unless the bidding party are prepared to follow through in a meaningful way. If they are not, why bother?The party who started this thread may wish to comment on who the residents were who attended the initial meeting, and their enthusiasm to see the pub as a community business.  It is entirely possible, but would need some serious effort to see it through.  21 random names won't do that.  https://plunkett.co.uk/more-than-a-pub/https://pubs.camra.org.uk/viewnode.php?id=64681https://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/Article/2019/01/23/Community-pubs-are-thriving-according-to-new-researchhttps://www.powertochange.org.uk/get-support/programmes/community-pubs-support-programme/

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@ CarolineThe ACV strategy has merit, but it cannot be simply achieved by a ‘petition’.  What Greening is suggesting make no sense.  A community group needs to bring the application forward, in the same way that the Friends of Wandsworth Park / Sea Scouts did with their successful applications. A random petition cannot achieve ACV status, it is meaningless. It may be the Greening know this and simply hasn’t communicated her strategy well. But what she says is simply wrong and it is misleading.A successful ACV application may lead to a community group acquiring the pub (although I regard this as very unlikely, for lots of reasons). It would take a lot of time and effort, but many pubs have been successfully acquired and subsequently run by their new community owners. Alternatively a successful ACV application would need to be considered by the planning department if there was a change of use application, as it would be considered material.  So ACV throws a bit of a spanner in any planning application for a period, but not forever.I suggested the ACV route as the first post seemed to indicate there was an some enthusiasm for a community bid.  However I haven’t seen anything to indicate that is actually the case, ie a community bid group coming forward.Greening would not be suggesting what she is (which is NOT a community bid) if there was a group out there. Unless of course a group are working away in secret and have not publicised themselves, which seems unlikely. I have a good understanding of ACV’s and how they work - but in essence for this to have legs it needs a ‘proper’ group, with a sound plan, funding and so on. A petition from Greening doesn’t amount to a row beans without a group standing behind it. Wandsworth need a proper worked up ACV application.

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Bruton Knowles valuation of the WPCC land within the Telegraph’s title3.The Telegraph InnWPCC owns two small parcels of land which lie within the surrounding title of the above public house, and upon part of which land the pub places tables for outdoor hospitality.We are instructed not to contact the current occupiers of the Telegraph Inn and have therefore not had an opportunity to determine what level of business may be contributed by the tables in question. We have estimated from photographs that the Telegraph Inn can suitably place 10 tables in the area owned by WPCC. As such we have calculated the following:Our estimated fee for the Spencer Arms is £5,000 per annum and covers 22 tables which are not exclusive to the pub. This equates to £227 per table per annum.As the tables at the Telegraph Inn are able for exclusive use we consider that a premium of 33% can be applied, equating to £300 per table and deriving a licence Fee of £3,000 per annum.In our opinion the appropriate Licence Fee in respect of the current terms agreed based upon the information and assumptions reported above is fairly reflected in the sum of £3,000 (Three Thousand Pounds) per annum.We trust that this report is satisfactory for your immediate purposes but, should any matter require further clarification, we shall be pleased to hear from you. We would reiterate that neither the whole nor any part of this Valuation Report may be included in any published document, circular or statement nor published in any way without our written approval of the form and context in which it may appear.

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