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Gina Miller's Bid To Stop Boris

Has failed. Again. Good!!

Sue Hammond ● 2623d17 Comments

And has been granted to right to appeal immediately.

Ivonne Holliday ● 2623d

That is automatically given Ivonne. I hope she and her wealthy backers have deep pockets. The only winners will be their lawyers.

Sue Hammond ● 2623d

To be honest, I'm not surprised. The courts in the UK interpret law made by parliament, I assume taking in consideration treaties like ECHR, EU, WTO, International Maritime agreements, etc that the UK's signed up to. As the UK has no written constitution it's difficult for the courts to judge this. Also, my understanding is that proroguing is a royal act and I'm not sure as the courts represent "Regina" they have authority? In the case of the A50 invocation I think the court was able to determine that it was unlawful because parliament hadn't followed a process it had  defined for itself. Can't remember exacty, anyway  I'm not a lawyer, so that's just a lay person's view. It doesn't mean Johnson isn't a manipulative, undemocratic wanna be dictator who, judging by recent pictures, wants be heading up a police state. Even his own family, who should know him best, seem to indicate that?

Michael Ixer ● 2623d

Proroguing parliament is now going to work against the government. The vote next Monday on an election will fail to reach its 2/3rds majority and no further votes can take place for 5 weeks. Maybe then, once he has obeyed the new law requiring him to ask for an extension (or get parliament to agree to either a withdrawal agreement or a no deal exit) there will be a clear path to an election with enough time after it for a new government (or coalition) to reach some final agreement with Brussels. Are there any alternatives to this out there?

Jonathan Callaway ● 2623d

@MichaelIt was ridiculous of Miller to think the British Courts would in effect rule against the Queen.🙄

Sue Hammond ● 2623d

Rights to appeal are granted automatically?  That is news to me.  If they are, why do they need permission from the High Court?

Ivonne Holliday ● 2623d

With huge numbers of people awaiting court time, one can only wonder how an unelected millionaire gets heard so quickly.  Like all Remainers, she's not giving up.

Chantal Blake-Milton ● 2623d

John Major ...

Sue Hammond ● 2623d

"one can only wonder how an unelected millionaire gets heard so quickly."Because it's a very important constitutional issue, obviously, and nothing at all to do with the people (others are involved too)  making the plea. So sneering about Gina Miller doesn't reflect well on you.

Richard Carter ● 2623d

"Like all Remainers, she's not giving up."Sometimes you are correct.

David Ainsworth ● 2623d

Who's sneering Richard? Don't judge others by your own behaviour.

Sue Hammond ● 2623d

Please don't take my comments out if context Richard or accuse me of sneering.  Miller is a millionaire and unelected. John Major is no longer an elected politician, who suspended parliament for 19 days in 1997, so many people are wondering how she has special status when gaining access to the judiciary so quickly, given the lengthy waits others have to endure.

Chantal Blake-Milton ● 2623d

Don't be so patronising David, and for pity's sake don't regurgitate this in a further post in your inverted commas.  Surely she is wasting the Courts' time with endless futile efforts to derail democracy, whilst other less influential people are pushed to the back of a very long queue?

Chantal Blake-Milton ● 2623d

So sorry to be patronising, I was trying for faint praise.The Courts have to prioritise, I expect.

David Ainsworth ● 2623d

The appeal is on the 19th so even if she wins they'll all be on the p... at their conferences anyway. Parliament was dye to close for 4 weeks in any event.all seems a bit pointless niw.No doubt i'll now get a lecture from those who believe their view is ths only view.

Andy Pike ● 2623d

The thing about a democracy is it's open to everyone to use the courts to challenge authority if they think they're abusing their power. My understanding is Gina Miller's case is crowd funded so she's actually supported by a lot of similar minded people. Unfortunately,  I just feel that the nature of the British political system means it is open to this type of abuse by politicians like Johnson who think they are still playing games in the Oxford debating society rather than dealing with and really understanding things like the manufacturing industry, distribution systems or even broadband ... the childish nature of his insults of Corbyn in parliament at such a serious time only emphasise how unfit he is to be PM.

Michael Ixer ● 2623d

100% agree with you Michael.  Boris Johnson is not fit to be PM - he has not progressed mentally from the Oxford Union days, prep school days perhaps. Some may call him courageous, some will call him strong, but as you say, his behaviour in Parliament and when he met Macron  is unacceptable for someone in such high office.

Ivonne Holliday ● 2623d