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If Brexit talks fail.

You could well be right Paul.  Not only rioting on the streets, is highly likely but one or two wannabee Guy Fawkes as well. Parliament is abysmal.

Barbara Shillabeer ● 2583d49 Comments

Nonsense

Andy Pike ● 2583d

...of the highest order.

Freddie Francis ● 2583d

totally.

Matt Palmer ● 2583d

Can't see it happening. Might be some demos, Putin and his bots might try and stir up something on social media, but JRM and co aren't going to support it, are they? Party of law and order, and all that ...

Michael Ixer ● 2583d

Something most of us agree on then.

Lucille Grant ● 2583d

The spectre of a few flat caps, flying Worthers Originals and ram-raideers on mobility scooters doesn't scare me. Without ample toilet facilities it'll all be over in half an hour anyway.

Freddie Francis ● 2583d

@Barbara It's ok to talk about the potential trouble in Ireland but we mustn't talk the potential trouble in London lol

Paul Game ● 2583d

@Paul. But we are talking about it, it's just that in remain voting London the opinion is it's unlikely any of us will revolt. There may be a few professional rioters who go to Westminster, particularly if they're stirred up on social media, but I don't think Gove, JRM, even Farage or Widdecombe are going to call for civil unrest, are they? NI has a history of conflict so I think the parameters for civil unrest there are different. 

Michael Ixer ● 2583d

Playing the victim as usual. Nobody can stop you fretting about riots. Do it all you like. You really are looking like you're put upon.

Freddie Francis ● 2583d

Thatcher would be appalled at the way some of her old supporters have lost their moral compass.

Paul Game ● 2583d

@Freddie How were ever a Thatcherite?You sound like a Blairite.A wolf in sheep's clothing comes to mind.

Paul Game ● 2583d

Michael it is useless trying to explain something simple to Paul. Don't bother wasting your time or energy. In any case in common with other Brexiteers in Government  he makes it pretty plain he couldn't give a rat's a$$e about Irish or British people's lives in Ulster.

Lucille Grant ● 2583d

Hey Barbara, I agree, easy to think that Brexiteers would want to burn down Parliament, but in actual fact it is the Remainers who want to get rid of it the most.They want to make it redundant and hand everything over to Brussels.

Paul Game ● 2583d

Moral compass? Are you serious? Lol what the heck does that mean? Anyone who changes their vote has no morals? Because I don’t support the self seeking nonsense that this party now practices? Hilarious. Is that the best response you’ve got?  Come on Paul, I didn’t know you were a comedian. 😂

Freddie Francis ● 2583d

Remainers have a problem in that they think if scientific and economic fats say a certain thing it must be right.  If you don't agree with this theory you are beyond the pale .  David Cameron found to his cost not necessarily correct.Brexiteers, on the other hand, generally are not interested in 'intellectual ideas'.  They live in the real world which impacts on their daily existence.  Consequently do not wish to be subjugated by, an often as seen by us, corrupt EU. i appreciate there are few remainers on this Forum who will have an inkling of what I am saying and no desire to really know anyway.  This is why we Brexiteers rarely answer questions put to us knowing a) that we won't be listened to and b) we will be totally ridiculed.Apparently Brexit talks in jeopardy, so we shall soon see any repercussions

Barbara Shillabeer ● 2583d

There will be a deal Barbara. The Remaniacs are panicking.

Sue Hammond ● 2583d

Barbara - Brexiteers have no answers, that's a fact. Remainers do have an answer - stay as we are and  change the EU from within if we think it's so bad.

Lucille Grant ● 2583d

What a fantastic point you make Barbara.We get bombarded on this forum with reports and predictions from Remain based think tanks, but many working class Brexiteers just go about their lives living from week to week trying to make ends meet and seeing a gradual decline of their quality of life over a period of years as a consequence of the EU membership.Mervyn King, the ex Governor of the bank of England knows we can make a success of Brexit and it's really refreshing to hear someone talking the country up instead of the majority of the Remainers constantly talking this country down.

Paul Game ● 2583d

Science and facts aren't a bad thing, they help keep one's planes in the air. It's when you start cutting regulations and have unskilled regulators and companies only looking at the bottom line that your 737 Max's fall out of the sky. I'm pleased we have EASA as well as the FAA to vet aircraft safety - the FAA took no action until others started groundithe Maxs; the EU is less corrupt than the US in that area.Hope there's not too many facts in this ...https://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKL2N26W0XU

Michael Ixer ● 2583d

Michael - Brexiteers don't deal with facts but you are doing a fantastic job in trying to educate them. Wonder if there is any relationship between Brexiteers and flat earthers? #askingforafriend

Lucille Grant ● 2583d

@Lucille the first time I have looked at one of your posts for a few weeks.Although Michael is a Remainer and has very different views to me, I respect him, and in fairness to him from previous posts he understands why poor people have voted for Brexit at least.Something you would never concede in a million years.You are too tunnel visioned.This is why he is up there with the top posters on this forum and why you are down there in the bottom few.Same old drivel from you every time.

Paul Game ● 2583d

Paul: I can't quite understand why it is so "undemocratic", "lacking in moral compass (!)" etc for Lucille and others like myself to hold to our opinions that leaving the EU is the wrong thing to do.

Caroline Whitehead ● 2583d

@ Paul 'Same old drivel every time'. You are so easy to wind up. Last time I looked it's still a free world to comment as we like. If you don't like someone's posts no-one makes you read them.As to why 'poor people voted for Brexit' I am well aware of why they did so. My SiL comes from one of the poorest regions in South Wales - he and his family voted to Remain; a very close friend is from an ex mining village outside Sheffield - he also voted to Remain even though his family didn't. They suffered immeasurably from the austerity measures brought in by the Conservatives and it's a given that many Leavers voted this way because it was their only way of putting two fingers up to the Government, borne out by the heavy losses the Conservatives suffered at the General Election May called the following year.BTW who are you to decide who are the 'top posters' on this forum? I have no wish, or need, to be on your list for validation. You are irrelevant.  #StopBrexitNow

Lucille Grant ● 2583d

@Paul. Where do you put yourself in the rankings? I’ll happily sit here in the cellar but surely you can’t also be down in the basement with me and Lucille? It is a bit dark of course so I can’t be sure. There’s a funny noise coming from over by the coal hole though. Pretty sure it’s not the plumbing 🤔

Freddie Francis ● 2583d

Freddie - there's also a foul stench coming from somewhere (or someone) ...

Lucille Grant ● 2583d

Caroline.  I readily accept that we can't all think alike.  What I can't accept is, if I don't think the remainer way as you do, I'm a flat earther and an idiot.  i don't think anyone has ever asked me if there is anything that I like about the EU..  There is plenty as it happens and would like to keep, but because I am a Brexiteer I have nothing of interest to contribute to the discussion as I'm stupid and irrelevant.  I can 100% assure you, stupid I'm not. Concerned for peoples views not being listened to by EU that's all. Have had enough of disconnected , from me, EU officials being able to run my life with no redress.

Barbara Shillabeer ● 2583d

That’s a pile of Out Means Outs. Well past their sell by date.

Freddie Francis ● 2583d

Thatcher must be spinning in her grave at some of the turncoats that used to support her.

Paul Game ● 2583d

That's what it is Freddie, of course!

Lucille Grant ● 2583d

Think you've stated that already, Paul. Sure she would be wringing her hands at the mess Cameron, May and now Boris have made of her party. I'll let you into a secret - I voted for Thatcher! Shush. Please don't share this information.

Lucille Grant ● 2583d

Yeah, those ones without a moral compass. You said that earlier.

Freddie Francis ● 2583d

A Corbynite dressed up as Thatcher.Now that would look good in drag lol

Paul Game ● 2583d

Did you mean to say that out loud?

Freddie Francis ● 2583d

@Paul 18.28"@Lucille the first time I have looked at one of your posts for a few weeks.Although Michael is a Remainer and has very different views to me, I respect him, and in fairness to him from previous posts he understands why poor people have voted for Brexit at least."Let them eat cake! ...

Sue Hammond ● 2583d

@Lucille It doesnt surprise me that you and Freddie voted for Thatcher in the past.She didn't give a s**t about the working class either.

Paul Game ● 2583d

I also voted for Margaret Thatcher.  The Tories were the ones who truly believed in education and gave help to disadvantaged children to take advantage via grammar schools.  I still support grammar schools.  Unless you attend an excellent comprehensive, such as Holland Park, very much aided by wealthy parents, they are a bit hit and miss

Barbara Shillabeer ● 2583d

Barbara, I think Thatcher was good at sticking up for Britain on the world stage and she was definitely a strong leader. You make a good point about Grammar schools also.She certainly divided communities though, and I think she taught selfishness over selflessness. What she did to the mining communities was appalling and the budget cuts for public services under Thatcher was also too drastic.But we could do with her toughness now concerning the Brexit negotiations.I enjoy reading your posts Barbara, keep them coming :-)

Paul Game ● 2583d

Paul will say anything to get a rise out of people.Your morally compass is in doubt, are you white British? etc.As a young and first time Tory voter in 79 I can claim to have been part of the revolt against Labour’s mess which resulted in 3 day weeks and mountains of rubbish in the streets. Thatcher was what we needed. The Conservative party of today is a pale imitation of the party of the early 80s. Boris is an self seeking embarrassment. One minute we’re anti-Thatch, next minute Thatch is the milk snatcher and we’re screw the workers. The troll can’t make his mind up. Oddly entertaining. A mixed up lottery of accusations. I wonder what’s next. 🧐

Freddie Francis ● 2583d

 I don't normally take these things personally, but I don't think I would ever be reduced to telling people "let them eat cake". I have relatives who were UKIP (I assume now BP) supporters.,) They grew up differently to me although they're comfortable these days, at least one probably better off than me as he's an accountant. I discuss Brexit, etc with them, we have different views but live with that  and I suspect my account cousin is concerned about the impact of Brexit on hos investments, probably would like a people's vote to change his mind. I came from a working class background, went to a 1960s comprehensive school with a forward thinking headmaster (a scientist graduate who knew the value of maths and sciences) and I worked hard to get good A levels, got a grant to a great science university - Imperial College -  then took my oppounities in the new software industry. It's true many in London (like me) don't have the poverty issues, or understanding, of those in the north of England; however, Brexit is unlikely to help any unemployed or single parents in Wigan, Sunderland or Newcastle. I know people there who desperately want to remain in the EU because they know leavers misinformed  voters and they want the freedom for their children - and grand children (showing my age!) - to take up opportunities in the EU. Still, if you're going to eat cake, just make sure it's vegan. (Great vegan chocolate brownies at Tendril, Putney Plaza, East Putney and Foodilic Putney High street usually have a vegan cake. No personal interest, just a great idea 🙂)

Michael Ixer ● 2582d

 I don't normally take these things personally, but I don't think I would ever be reduced to telling people "let them eat cake". I have relatives who were UKIP (I assume now BP) supporters.,) They grew up differently to me although they're comfortable these days, at least one probably better off than me as he's an accountant. I discuss Brexit, etc with them, we have different views but live with that  and I suspect my account cousin is concerned about the impact of Brexit on hos investments, probably would like a people's vote to change his mind. I came from a working class background, went to a 1960s comprehensive school with a forward thinking headmaster (a scientist graduate who knew the value of maths and sciences) and I worked hard to get good A levels, got a grant to a great science university - Imperial College -  then took my oppounities in the new software industry. It's true many in London (like me) don't have the poverty issues, or understanding, of those in the north of England; however, Brexit is unlikely to help any unemployed or single parents in Wigan, Sunderland or Newcastle. I know people there who desperately want to remain in the EU because they know leavers misinformed  voters and they want the freedom for their children - and grand children (showing my age!) - to take up opportunities in the EU. Still, if you're going to eat cake, just make sure it's vegan. (Great vegan chocolate brownies at Tendril, Putney Plaza, East Putney and Foodilic Putney High street usually have a vegan cake. No personal interest, just a great idea 🙂)

Michael Ixer ● 2582d

Michael - Clearly better qualified, educationally as well as socially, than the cake promoter I would posit.

Freddie Francis ● 2582d

Well Michael, at least Sue is principled like yourself and Barbara, even if there is disagreement. Not like some on here who wouldn't know a moral compass if it hit them in the face.

Paul Game ● 2582d

Broken record lol

Freddie Francis ● 2582d

Doomed!!  We're all doomed!!!  Aye

Bunny Payne ● 2582d

@Bunny. It's worse than being doomed. I had dinner with a friend/ex-colleague (and remain supporter) last night who now works for an Italian company. He's fed up because these days its the Italians in the office making jokes about British politics, they've been waiting years to turn that round! We're the laughing stock of Europe 😶😸 

Michael Ixer ● 2582d

one day they'll make a movie about brexit, probably a farce but could just as easily be a political-zombie-apocalypsethe name of the movie? "The Vote that Time Forgot"

Adam Tripp ● 2582d

I think Spitting Image is probably coming back!  Would it not be great?

Ivonne Holliday ● 2582d

I'd like to see The Thick Of It return.  Malcolm Tucker back and working for the Tories.

John Gorst ● 2582d

Yes, it has to be The Thick of It. Wonderful part for anyone playing Dominic Cummings.

Caroline Whitehead ● 2582d