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Brexit: "No deal tonight", UK government source says

A government source has told the BBC there will be "no deal tonight", as officials continue to work on the technical details in Brussels.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50072748So, talks are not progressing much and the "easiest deal on earth" is proving not to be either...  Pfff

Ivonne Holliday ● 2583d17 Comments

Regain sovereignty & law makingRegain control of trade policyRegain control of our farming & fishing industriesRegain control of borders & immigrationSave billions in contributionsCut out over regulation on businessRegain control of criminal justice lawIt doesn't look like jumping over a cliff edge to me.

Paul Game ● 2583d

Am not sure the ~400 000 people who have already lost their jobs would say the same. Or the people who googled ‘what is the EU’ on the day of the result. Or the ‘expats’ in Spain who didn’t realise they wouldn’t then receive free health care over there. Or the people reliant on medication to survive. Or those of us who need to eat.Full membership of the EU costs us only 0.7% of our taxes. Anything else will be so much more costly, in so very many ways. Stop Brexit.

Clare Noeken ● 2583d

Well said Paul!Mind you they used to burn witches at the stake for less heretical views!

Mike Warman ● 2583d

Barnier has just announced he will agree to *literally anything* if he can find a surgeon capable of removing Dominic Grieve from his backside.

Paul Game ● 2583d

“Or the people reliant on medication to survive. Or those of us who need to eat.”Clare I was going to comment on your ridiculous assertion regarding 400k job losses.  Of course we can remember that a 500k rise in unemployment was forecast for the mere temerity to vote to leave the empire of the great and glorious, although from memory employment had the poor grace to rise (wrong type of job maybe?). Latest I can find from the ons here https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/uklabourmarket/december2018“ There were an estimated 32.48 million people in work, 79,000 more than for May to July 2018 and 396,000 more than for a year earlier.”Hardly a tale of doom.  I’m sure you should find something though ;-)I am far more impressed by your apparent suggestion that we won’t be able to eat in post brexit Britain.  Will other country’s food producers refuse to sell to us?  Even those from (whisper isn’t softly) the world outside the EU? (Last I checked composing well over 90% of the global population the idiots!).Not sure how you can beat this - will water and air become unavailable???

Mike Warman ● 2583d

Clare I'm sorry.  Don't understand what k400 job losses you are referring to.  In what period of time?

Barbara Shillabeer ● 2583d

The ~400k job loss figure is based on a fully indexed job loss index based on news reports. ‘The British Retail Consortium has said retailers are doing all they can to prepare for no-deal, but will not be able to prevent all negative effects. It stresses that many fresh fruits and vegetables will be out of season in the UK and that there will be a shortage of warehouse space ahead of Christmas.’The EU are our nearest neighbours. It doesn’t make any sense to purchase from further afield. And I haven’t said anything about rising costs of food imports from outside the EU. Just because something is available, doesn’t mean you can afford to buy it. Also, you can’t grow medicines in fields. The whole thing is ludicrous.  Make it all go away. Stop Brexit. https://smallbusinessprices.co.uk/brexit-index/https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47652280

Clare Noeken ● 2583d

Can one of the Remainers explain why David Lammy, Dominic Grieve, Vince Cable and Caroline Lucas went to Brussels and had a private meeting with Barnier yesterday?The Brexit negotiations are nothing to do with them.What has this country come to when MP's are asking Brussels to block a deal with Boris.There are some treacherous MP's in our parliament to say the least!

Paul Game ● 2582d

Can't say if this is true or not but it's what MSM in the form of the  Mail and Express is reportinghttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7579391/Remainer-MPs-travel-Brussels-urge-EU-grant-UK-Brexit-delay.html'Remain-backing MPs arrived in Brussels this morning to urge the EU to grant a Brexit delay in all circumstances as they tried to keep their hopes of a second referendum alive. A delegation of Remainer rebels is meeting with the representatives of a number of EU member states before a scheduled sit down with the European Parliament's Brexit co-ordinator Guy Verhofstadt. They want to persuade the bloc to postpone the UK's departure beyond the current October 31 deadline even if Boris Johnson is able to secure a divorce deal in the coming days.'HTH Paul

Lucille Grant ● 2582d

so, there's a new deal on the table (err, did the EU not say again and again and again "no renegotiation, the deal is the deal") but I doubt parliament will vote for it no matter what "it" is...

Adam Tripp ● 2582d

Yes Adam totally agree, the new deal is called 'threatening them with no deal' which the Remain parliament want to take off the table.You couldn't make it up lol

Paul Game ● 2582d

Apparently, there is a new deal.I am confused because Juncker said:"As regards the Withdrawal Agreement itself: negotiations focused on the Protocol on Ireland/Northern Ireland and sought to identify a mutually satisfactory solution to address the specific circumstances on the island of Ireland."So, do I understand it correctly that Theresa May's Withdrawal Agreement still stands but with amendments to the Protocol on Ireland/Northern Ireland as well as the Political Declaration?

Ivonne Holliday ● 2582d

Ivonne  I understand that it's still basically May's Withdrawal Agreement with  changes to the Northern Irish situation - having said that  the DUP turned it down last night.It's still a bad Deal if that's the case and if Boris puts this to Parliament on Saturday it's possible he will get the same response as May did three times.  Neither Leavers nor Remainers were happy with that Deal after all. So the Benn Law comes into play and he has to ask the EU for an extension.

Lucille Grant ● 2582d

Thank you Lucille.So, there is no new deal at all, just an amended version of Theresa May's deal.Who was it in Parliament who asked Theresa May:  "What do you think of the men who say they can do better but do not want to do the work?"

Ivonne Holliday ● 2582d

That's as I understand it Ivonne as I doubt the  EU will agree to anything more substantial. We have to wait and see if all 27 members have signed up to what has 'been agreed' before anything  is put to Parliament.BTW there has  been 'twittering' about a man being able to get through the same deal as a woman couldn't. Misogyny at its best.

Lucille Grant ● 2582d

Well, a man being able to get through the same deal as a woman could not, because that man did his utmost to oust her, become PM and take the glory.  Did you ever see that joke, "Perfect suggestion, Miss Briggs.  Now, any gentlemen present wish to put it forward?"

Ivonne Holliday ● 2582d

Yes!

Lucille Grant ● 2582d