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What do the Tories stand for?

The Conservative government officially wrote this short publication in 2016:-"Why the Government believes that voting to remain in the European Union is the best decision for the UK." [PDF]. See:-https://tinyurl.com/yaegxjw8So what has changed? Were the Tories lying (or wrong) then, or are they lying (or wrong) now?And if the Tories can change their mind, then why are we not being allowed to?

David Ainsworth ● 2578d12 Comments

David, Just a reminder that someone asked you what you thought of Jeremy Corbyn yesterday and as of yet you haven't answered?You are quite a prominent poster on here, so as you ask me quite a few questions I thought I'd remind you that it is a two way thing.A little bit like Sarah asking me many questions (which I don't mind btw) but when I asked her to review the video of the anti-democratic double standard Remain MPs who said they would honour Brexit, she didn't answer the question, albeit at the same time she expects me to answer all the questions she puts to me.

Paul Game ● 2578d

I also wonder David  how the Conservatives can keep changing their mind/position but the rest of us aren't given the  same consideration. As to lying, Boris  has been doing so as long as  he has been in the public eye.

Lucille Grant ● 2578d

"as you ask me quite a few questions I thought I'd remind you that it is a two way thing."No it isn't.-----------------There are more questions than answersPictures in my mind that will not showThere are more questions than answersAnd the more I find out the less I knowYeah, the more I find out the less I know.(Johnny Nash)

David Ainsworth ● 2578d

Boris will ride any bandwagon that he thinks will play to his advantage at any particular moment in time. Brexit is his biggest and boldest to date."I will lie down in front of those bulldozers and stop the construction of that third runway … Heathrow is just undeliverable, and the sooner we face that the sooner our salvation.”That was a when mayor in 2015 ago when he was grandsatnding to stop the third runway. I went to see him doing exactly that along side Zak Goldsmith and Gyles Brandreth in Barnes around that time. He's famously backed off since: “It is just not going to happen.” ...i.e. stopping the runway.His current promise to die in a ditch if he fails to get Brexit done by the 31st is more of the same guff.

Freddie Francis ● 2578d

haha another one who likes to ask but doesn't like to answer. Oh well that makes it easy for me in the future lol

Paul Game ● 2578d

"haha another one who likes to ask but doesn't like to answer."What do you think that I was asking you?

David Ainsworth ● 2578d

I get the impression that most M.P.s, who, because of their work, have an understanding of where the U.K. truly fits in in the world, favoured retaining our wonderful position (of an English-speaking nation, the gateway for U.S. brands to Europe, with a city that every international brand would be happy to have a European H.Q. in). Those, however, having failed to persuade their constituents to vote Remain, are torn, between Common Sense and pleasing the people who elected them.But guys, what is your excuse? Putney voted 75% to Remain.

Bill Christie ● 2578d

I don't think that the Labour leader teetering on the fence for all this time has helped at all, everyone is being soppy and ridiculous, they all need a good slap up the side of the head and be reminded that they in a very important position and should respect and appreciate where they are.The ridiculous carry on in the House of Commons recently is frankly embarrassing, no more so than that little twerp Bercow, showing off and not fulfilling the job he is supposed to be doing.

Bunny Payne ● 2578d

I agree with you Bill.  Many MPs who have a greater understanding of where the UK truly fits in the world but also, how interconnected we all are in the globalized economy.  Common Sense seems to be in short supply lately.The country voted to Leave with a small majority, not an overwhelming one.  However, in the subsequent general election and by-elections, MPs known to be Remainers were elected in Leave areas.  Wales comes to mind in one by-election.Whether we like it or not, MPs have a lot of information at hand which we do not.  And they must, above all, work in the best interests of the country.  If Brexit were such a resounding Common Sense decision, we would not be in the mess we are today.

Ivonne Holliday ● 2578d

The Tories have been really soft for many years, and until Boris took over they were run by the soft Liberals.In the past the Tories were tough on crime, tough on Law and Order.Under the Liberals they stood for freedom of movement, open borders, and went soft on Law and Order.Stopping 'stop and search' for political correctness reasons has been a disaster in London.Where has open borders and going soft on crime got us?A clash of cultures resulting in Rotherham and Telford.Young girls being groomed by the thousands and the Liberal elites are just turning a blind eye.The police are too scared to touch it in fear of being called 'racist'When Boris was Mayor of London he made a statement every time there was a stabbing, but Khan continues his virtue signalling and doesn't give a damn about knife crime.Absolutely disgraceful.London is going down the pan!

Paul Game ● 2578d

But we've spent the last nearly 10 years with a Tory govt.  It takes years to recruit and train police with the background checks etc.  We now have people working without all these checks having been done and certainly without the knowledge and expertise that we once had.  All we have been getting from govt is PR responses and platitudes eg "we've put in more money etc than ever before" or "nothing has changed".  All this after radical cuts that lasted for an unnecessary length of time.  I doubt if you take the cuts into account you will find that we are even back where we started.  Meanwhile an awful lot people seem to think they have a good chance of getting away with things they wouldn't have tried to before.I've now come to see the Tories as the party of low tax and no services.  Just look at the figures for child poverty.  Just look at the rise in the use of food banks.  Just look at the state of social care and how it isn't working.  Who wants to vote for higher tax?  Why don't we work out what is needed and set the rate accordingly with a truly graduated and fair taxation system?  Trickle down is a myth.

Philippa Bond ● 2578d

Bunny, Bercow  is doing exactly the job he is paid to do in not letting Boris and  his Government  ride  roughshod over Parliament. That is democracy. He explained his reasoning eloquently today and put the ridiculous posturing Conservative  Brexit backbenchers  in their place.

Lucille Grant ● 2578d