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Corbyn on 2nd referendum in Ireland

This video of Jeremy Corybn talking about the Irish referendum a few years ago.He says if you vote 'no' the establishment will ask for a 2nd and then a 3rd referendum until you vote for the result they want!You couldn't make it up!What an utter hypocrite this man is.No wonder he is polling at only 15%.https://twitter.com/nigel_farage/status/1092743191382712320?lang=en

Paul Game ● 2576d19 Comments

Some of the video footage of what MPs have said previously is making them look very foolish now.Similarly when nearly all the pro-EU MPs had previously said they will respect the Brexit result but are now going back on their word.What a shambles.Thanks for posting this link.

Mike Essam ● 2576d

Brexit is not binary. The terms of our exit and our future relationship with the EU are hugely important. That’s why MPs quite rightly want to scrutinise this deal.

Jonathan Callaway ● 2576d

Would be interesting to hear from some of the Remainers on this forum re: the Corbyn video? Mike Ixer?Corbyn talks about the establishment blocking the 'no' vote and re-running the referendum until the result is reversed.Today he is now part of the establishment doing exactly the same thing over Brexit.You couldn't make it up!

Paul Game ● 2576d

Paul: What makes you think that all Remainers are fans of Jeremy Corbyn?

Caroline Whitehead ● 2576d

Also, there are a lot of people in the Labour party trying for a second referendum but I don't really think you can include Corbyn in that, he seems to be doing his best to avoid one.

Matt Palmer ● 2576d

Caroline, I appreciate that not many Remainers are a fan of JC.The reason there is a link is that Corbyn has back tracked on what he said previously about the establishment and second and third referendums until the correct result is achieved.He is now part of the establishment doing the same with Brexit along with all these other MPs in the video below:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPcmebRH904

Paul Game ● 2576d

"Jeremy Corbyn has said Article 50 must be invoked immediately and that a Leave vote prevailed because of anger against marginalisation and austerity. He said the result of the poll means the exit clause – Article 50, which would give a two year period for Britain to leave – must be observed as soon as possible in an interview with the BBC.“The British people have made their decision. We must respect that result and Article 50 has to be invoked now so that we negotiate an exit from European Union.“Obviously there has to be strategy but the whole point of the referendum was that the public would be asked their opinion. They’ve given their opinion. It is up for parliament to now act on that opinion."Jeremy Corbyn, 24/6/16https://labourlist.org/2016/06/corbyn-article-50-has-to-be-invoked-now/

David Ainsworth ● 2576d

I ve lost count of the number times Boris changes his mind/lies

Lucille Grant ● 2576d

Oh true indeed:-"Leaving the EU doesn’t appeal, said Boris Johnson" 13th MAY, 2016. (!)"Boris Johnson February 2016:-“It is also true that the single market is of considerable value to many UK companies and consumers, and that leaving would cause at least some business uncertainty, while embroiling the Government for several years in a fiddly process of negotiating new arrangements, so diverting energy from the real problems of this country – low skills, low social mobility, low investment etc – that have nothing to do with Europe.”A spokesman for the ‘Remain’ campaign commented, “Everybody in Westminster knows that Boris doesn’t really believe in Out. He’s putting his personal ambition before the national interest.”"!"the real problems of this country ... that have nothing to do with Europe.”!https://eu-rope.ideasoneurope.eu/2016/05/13/leaving-eu-doesnt-appeal-said-boris-johnson/

David Ainsworth ● 2576d

"Some of the video footage of what MPs have said previously is making them look very foolish now."Just a few:-"'In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way.' Nigel Farage, May 2016.“If we vote to leave then I think the union will be stronger.' Michael Gove, May 2016Coming to a free trade agreement with the EU should be "one of the easiest in human history.' Liam Fox, July 2017“Without our EU budget contributions, we could give everyone a 60 per cent council tax cut.” Daniel Hannan, September 2015‘Within 2 years, before negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete, & therefore before anything material has changed, we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU. The new trade agreements will come into force at point of exit.’ David Davis, July 2016‘I believe that we can get a free trade and customs agreement concluded before March 2019’. David Davis, January 2017‘The idea that we’ll do a transitional arrangement where you’re still in, paying money, still with free movement of people – that we’ll do the long-term deal in slow motion … That is plainly not what we’re after.’ David Davis, March 2016‘The Conservative party will ensure that we fulfil our duty in ensuring that stability, so that we can all, as one country go forward together.’ Theresa May, 2017'Trade relations with the EU could be sorted out in 'an afternoon over a cup of coffee,' Gerard Batten, UKIP Brexit spokesman, February 2017'It will be easy to negotiate a trade deal,' Paul Nuttall, UKIP leader, Jan 2017Brexit 'might even mean that there is less space for anger in our politics.' Douglas Carswell, UKIP MP, March 2017'I am confident that Theresa May and her team can deliver an arrangement that suits both the UK and the members of the EU.' Iain Duncan Smith, March 2017'There are good grounds for a new government team to offer the public a voice on what the deal looks like. And we obviously wouldn’t oppose that... I think there’s a strong democratic case for it.' Dominic Cummings, Vote Leave campaign director, Jan 2016'If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy”. David Davis, 2012, discussing the EU'There is no reason why the UK’s only land border should be any less open after Brexit than it is today.” Theresa Villiers, April 2016, on the Irish issue'Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market,' Daniel Hannan, May 2015'It is like threading the eye of a needle. If you have a good eye and a steady hand, it is easy enough,' David Davis, December 2016, dismissing fears a Brexit deal might be difficult'I will be advocating Vote Leave because I want a better deal for the people of this country, to save them money and to take control.' Boris Johnson, Feb 2016'What we’ve got to do as a government & as a parliamentary party is show we are bigger than the sum of our parts. If we take a bit more of that approach, a bit more unity of purpose, we’ll get a great result out of Brexit. We’ll also unite the country.' Dominic Raab, June 2018'Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy – the UK holds most of the cards.' John Redwood, July 2016'The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want.' Michael Gove, April 2016“It was me that got us into this mess, I will get us out of it.” Theresa May, June 2017, to her troops after destroying the Tory majority.“Not partial membership of the European Union, associate membership of the European Union, or anything that leaves us half-in, half-out.' Theresa May, Jan 2017, setting out her vision for Brexit."(From Ian Birrell, on Twitter)"Boris Johnson said: "There is no plan for no deal, because we’re going to get a great deal”. July 2017Michael Gove, March 2019: 'We didn't vote to leave without a deal”Nigel Farage:- “If Brexit is a disaster, I will go and live abroad, I’ll go and live somewhere else”. March 2017.Boris Johnson: “Brexit means Brexit and we are going to make a Titanic success of it”. November 2016.“There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside”. David Davis, October 2016."(From “Led by Donkeys”)Donkeys or asses.

David Ainsworth ● 2576d

And the Tories are still ahead in the polls. Must be the Corbyn effect. Despite that lead we could still end up with another hung parliament.  Maybe that second, confirmatory, referendum isn’t such a bad idea after all?

Jonathan Callaway ● 2576d

When Corbyn loses his 2nd general election he will be replaced but it will be too late then.

Lucille Grant ● 2576d

"Boris Johnson: “Brexit means Brexit and we are going to make a Titanic success of it”. November 2016." Thank you, David. So Johnson doesn't always tell lies ...

Michael Ixer ● 2576d

Remind me what happened to the Titanic.

Jonathan Callaway ● 2576d

Hopefully after the next GE parliament will be two thirds Tory and Brexit party. The other third will be mainly the anti-democrats/bollox to Brexit crowd.

Paul Game ● 2576d

Not much chance of that. You might get a small Tory majority but in a general election people will also be voting on many other issues.  Just like last time.  Pro Brexit Labour voters might be tempted by Farage but many of them will never vote Tory in a million years.  So the Brexiteer vote might split, just as the Remain vote might split between Labour and LibDem.

Jonathan Callaway ● 2576d

You would be surprised Jonathan.Even people from ex mining towns have said on radio phone ins they will vote for the Tories if they deliver Brexit.Brexiteers from the North have had enough of Labour shafting them.15% is the max Labour will get at the next GE.They are finished under the current regime.

Paul Game ● 2576d

@Paul. Jeremy Corbyn part of the establishment? I suppose anyone joining parliament is part of the establishment, so in that sense he is, but sometimes the only way one can change something is from being on the inside. But I don't think his lifestyle - cycling as his preferred mode of travel, a near teetotal vegetarian with an allotment and someone who split with his wife, the mother of his sons, because of a disagreement over their schooling - as I understand it, he wanted them to go to the local state school, she insisted they go to a private school - indicates he is a member of the conventional establishment? There's a feeling that he's at heart anti EU, and possibly saw swiftly invoking A50 and a quick Brexit as freeing him from any constraints in EU law in the event of future nationalisations by a labour government. (I'll admit I'm guessing on that.) Perhaps if May had engaged with him in the early day there might have been an agreed, consensual, Brexit that would have gone through parliament quickly. However, as May and now Johnson have ploughed on doing Brexit in their own way we have a complete mess. Corbyn hasn't appeared very keen on a second referendum but has gone along with it because it's what a majority of labour party members want (if I remember correctly, they voted in favour of one in the 2018 party conference?); so he's complying with the democratic will of his party. In fact, he's upset a lot of labour party supporters because of his hesitancy in supporting a peoples vote. In the march for a peoples vote a few months ago there were banners and shouts of "where's Jeremy"! Still, like May and Johnson, he has the difficult task of balancing the opinions of leavers and remainers in his party, although in my opinion he may be doing a better job of that but time will tell: both parties may lose out to the Brexit Party or the LibDems in future elections meaning we're probably looking forward to a series of hung parliaments ... As you know - given the mess Parliament is in and the failure to implement Brexit in over three years plus (as I've noted in my post about Putin) the concerns about foreign state interference with the campaign - I don't see a second referendum as being undemocratic; it will either verify the result or give an opportunity to review. If you, as I understand you believe, peoples' opinions haven't changed much then you'll have the separation from the EU you wish and those that want to remain will have to accept it.

Michael Ixer ● 2576d

'I don't see a second referendum as being undemocratic; it will either verify the result or give an opportunity to review. If you, as I understand you believe, peoples' opinions haven't changed much then you'll have the separation from the EU you wish and those that want to remain will have to accept it.' So sensible, Michael.

Lucille Grant ● 2576d