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Sue and Paul. I saw (actually heard) most of this on the BBC TV 24 hour news while doing some washing up and attending to Felicity's needs. Just because I disagree with someone doesn't mean I don't listen to what they're saying. He does put his country before party because he has one issue which is one that fundamental affects the country and the party is a disposable vehicle in achieving that. Look at UKIP; actually, it's quite difficult to do that because with all their internal arguments and multiple leaders since ge ditched them they seem to have disappeared into oblivion - although their MEP candidate was good entertainment value at the hustings! I agree with Farage that Johnson's deal is like a used car with the bonnet polished up so it looks nice and shiny.  He's correct, it's predominately May's deal with some bits swapped out (to stop the rattles?) and a new Irish agreement to keep the ERG happy (the new bonnet?). What's interesting is Farage doesn't say how he will resolve the Irish conundrum - actually, vagueness theory might be appropriate but not Johnson's interpretation of puting Ulster in two mutually exclusive sets ... Farage is very quiet on things like thge NHS, Universal Credits, social housing, social services, education, etc - in my opinion, very wise, otherwise I suspect he'd soon frighten off any northern leave labour voters he's trying to attract. Will be interesting to see if his candidates turn up at hustings to answer those questions, they were noticeably absent from the Wandsworth EU election meeting.

Michael Ixer ● 2567d

@Sue. I will certainly listen to what he's saying. Obviously I disagree with his primary policy, but will be interested to see what he says about other issues - and it does seem that TBP's policies always sound like "the thoughts of Chairman Nigel"? I don't recall then taking votes at a party congress on policies?I note @Paul's list of where the parties stand on Brexit. Useful and as far as I'm concerned broadly accurate. I suspect the Tories might dispute his conclusion but that's not my issue. But, however good or bad their deal is, I can see Johnson scrapping it to keep TBP happy. But he's so fickle perhaps if it saves the Tories he'll follow Cameron's example who kicked the whole mess off with his referendum to save his party. The main thing is this does show how different views are on what Brexit is: many, including the ERG, are willing to accept Johnson's deal; obviously TBP and the DUP don't although I suspect they differ on what's wrong with it. I'm interested in that Farage says there are informal talks going on with Tories (not a surprise) and Labour representatives in local areas. Given Labour representatives don't know TBP's policies and some of Farage's comments when he headed UKIP seemed rather right wing from what I recall, I don't see how anyone standing on a Labour platform could consider any type of alliance with TBP, at least not until other policies are clarified? Or was it just junior rep in the pub saying "OK, perhaps we could discuss that later" just to get rid of someone banging on about TBP when tghey? 🙂 

Michael Ixer ● 2567d