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Daniel Shearer · 11/01/2019 13:47:00

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Lib Dem Fibs & How Remainers are voting in Putney

Am I the only one to be irked by the Liberal Democrat's highly misleading leaflets? After receiving five pieces of literature from the LDs over 2 months (with Pizza delivery and Windows advertisements also brazenly splashed inside), I am rather annoyed at their attempts to deliberately mislead the public. There are several highly misleading bar charts insinuating that Putney is a straight contest between the LDs and the Conservatives; this could not be further from the truth! Having looked at the small print; even if there was a great deal of tactical voting, the LDs would STILL not win in Putney.So, in the interests of busting some Lib Dem Fibs, here are some facts for you:- Going back to 1918, the Lib Dems have NEVER come second in Putney.- The last time there was a Lib Dem councillor in Wandsworth was in 1982 (they achieved 1 councillor and this was their best result for as long as records went back).- At the last election, the Conservatives and Labour achieved 44.1% and 40.8% of the vote respectively. The Liberal Democrats stopped Labour winning the seat, achieving only 11.6% of the vote.I am sorry to say this to the Liberal Democrats, but you are losing my respect by printing this nonsense about coming second and winning here. It would be much better for the LDs to spend their efforts in places like Richmond.As an avid Remainer, I will be voting Labour in the upcoming GE and I urge all likeminded individuals to get behind Fleur Anderson (The pro-remain, centrist Labour candidate).

Daniel Shearer ● 2567d14 Comments

A lot has changed since 2017 Daniel. Look on Twitter @PutneyTactical for the latest information from independent polling houses.Fleur may be as Remain as they come, but the Labour party is not. Were any renegotiated deal be put to the people I find it hard to believe that Labour would allow their MPs to campaign against it. This is undoubtedly unfortunate. Hence a vote for Labour is not a vote to #Remain, and it's disingenuous for anyone, including Fleur, to say otherwise.

Rob Anderson ● 2567d

Rob, do you not also think it was disingenuous of Jo Swinson to call for an in/out referendum in parliament leading up to the Brexit referendum, and once the result was cast and she didn't like it she changed her mind?

Mike Essam ● 2567d

Well Rob, go to tactical.vote and see for yourself who it says you should vote for. I question where the LD's allegiances are here in Putney - Is it stopping Brexit? Or putting their party first? It appears that you would be fine with splitting the vote and coming a respectable third place rather than actually stopping Brexit. A brilliant stroke of LD genius.If the LDs TRULY wanted to stop Brexit, they would withdraw their candidacy from Putney and back Fleur for the pro-remain, centrist MP she would be. Most Labour party members are remain - all "independent polls" show this. Their policy is a second referendum for crying out loud; this is EXACTLY what this country needs right now to get over Brexit and start to heal. Revoking A50 without a referendum is, in my eyes, an extreme position that would cause riots in the streets.We have a great opportunity to elect a centrist-remain Labour MP here in Putney. I am very sure Fleur would put her constituents first and back a second ref/remain over any botched brexit deal.It is highly disingenuous for the LDs to suggest they can win here - they won't and all you will be doing is supporting a hard brexit Boris Johnson government.

Daniel Shearer ● 2567d

Vote Remain & get a Communist Government!!!

Vic Condon ● 2567d

'Fleur may be as Remain as they come, but the Labour party is not. Were any renegotiated deal be put to the people I find it hard to believe that Labour would allow their MPs to campaign against it. This is undoubtedly unfortunate. Hence a vote for Labour is not a vote to #Remain, and it's disingenuous for anyone, including Fleur, to say otherwise.'Totally agree Rob.

Lucille Grant ● 2567d

Hi Daniel, the tactical.vote recommendation is on Twitter @PutneyTactical, along with lots of other info.A lot's changed since 2017.

Rob Anderson ● 2567d

'If the LDs TRULY wanted to stop Brexit, they would withdraw their candidacy from Putney and back Fleur for the pro-remain, centrist MP she would be. Most Labour party members are remain - all "independent polls" show this. Their policy is a second referendum for crying out loud; this is EXACTLY what this country needs right now to get over Brexit and start to heal.'Sorry Daniel but I don't trust Corbyn to deliver a Second Referendum at all. If he truly believed in one he would have supported it through both May and Boris's governments instead of dithering. As I recall he was conspicuously silent on the subject until this summer.Corbyn is not a Remainer even if Fleur is. Same problem we had with Justine and the Tory government she resigned from. Any parliamentary candidate knowing how Putney voted overwhelmingly to Remain will say they are Remain now (except Sweet who has toed the Tory Party line. Suspect he can say goodbye to winning Putney)

Lucille Grant ● 2567d

From the independent"one slight detail is the small print says these figures are based on a poll, in which people were asked 'imagine the result in your constituency was expected to be very close between the conservatives and lib dem candidate and none of the other parties were competitive"so not exactly real world polling is it?

Matt Palmer ● 2567d

Thanks for point this out Matt!In a contest between the Lib Dems and the Tories - they would still lose. Ouch. Compelling evidence that only Labour can beat the Tories in Putney.

Daniel Shearer ● 2567d

Look at the information up @PutneyTactical. It's not pushing anything other than information relevant to where we live. The Flavible projections are particularly interesting, and where each respective party has been placed in the constituency over the last two months. The feed also explains the methodologies so people can make their own minds up.To say only Labour can beat the Tories just isn't true.

Rob Anderson ● 2567d

LibDems now getting negative attention precisely because they are seen as a threat by Tories and Labour alike. The last time we went to the polls, in the European elections, the LDs won with 36.7% of the vote (Labour second with 15.8%). That won’t repeat itself in the GE but it shows an enthusiasm for the party not noticeably evident in previous polls. Tactical voting advice differs so there is a real chance the opposition to the Tories will split allowing them to retain the seat. Looks like a three way fight to me.

Jonathan Callaway ● 2567d

Sorry Daniel but this really does read as very entitled if you are representing the Labour party..The Lib Dems should stand down because they have never won here....yes let's keep things exactly as they always have been...."+At the last election, the Conservatives and Labour achieved 44.1% and 40.8% of the vote respectively. The Liberal Democrats stopped Labour winning the seat, achieving only 11.6% of the vote."At the last election Labour fielded a very nice, but entirely unprepared candidate. Labour did not expect to win, they did not have a candidate in place for ages. And to assume that all LD voters would have voted Tory is taking a giant leap into the unknown. Labour lost labour the last election. They could have won it, but they didn't think they would and got caught out.Polls are showing the LDs coming first/second in Putney. That may not be what Labour want to hear but that is what it is looking like. Sure, who can trust a poll? We will just have to find out. But that is what they are showing. In which case I hope the Labour party don't take votes off Sue Wixley.

Claire Anderson ● 2567d

Hello Daniel,The LibDems were founded in 1988.It is also true to say that the LibDems, at the European Election (post 2017 GE) did extremely well!Final point - unfortunately, this GE is being fought on mainly one issue - Brexit. Very unhealthy indeed.Soundbites may be heard about other extremely important issues but that is all, soundbites.

Ivonne Holliday ● 2567d