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Pizza Express Woking

I understand Pizza Express Woking is getting lots of reviews. Here’s one“It has been 18 years since I visited, but I remember it like it was yesterday,  I was sweating profusely, as were all the other customers.  It was hot.  The pizza was spicy and the atmosphere electric.  But one man, one mysterious man was icy cold, sweat free. I ‘ll never forget it, he was like a prince among men.

Martine Guy ● 2551d45 Comments

“If you’re in need of an alibi, this is the restaurant for you” was my favourite.

Freddie Francis ● 2551d

Yes, brilliant.  Love it, when the general public comment like this.

Martine Guy ● 2551d

Great redviews, obviously the place to go ...https://www.google.com/search?q=pizza+express+woking&oq=pizza+&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j35i39j0l2.3391j1j4&client=tablet-android-archos&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#lkt=LocalPoiReviews&trex=m_t:lcl_akp,rc_f:,rc_ludocids:15566113799814735086,rc_q:Pizza%2520Express,ru_q:Pizza%2520Express

Michael Ixer ● 2551d

The interview was a car crash and PA was ill advised to do it. However apart from him being a bit of a sleazebag in (allegedly) having sex with a teenager, I can't see that he's broken any laws? The encounters apparently all happened in London, one after a sweaty session 🤒 in Tramp nightclub. The age of consent here is 16, and it's the same in all but 11 states in America, and Virginia Roberts was 17. She hasn't said PA raped or coerced her, so what exactly is he being accused of? I may have missed it, so apart from Randy Andy living up to his old moniker can somebody please enlighten me?

Sue Hammond ● 2551d

Sue, as far as I understand it, one of his accusers claims she was forced to have sex with Andrew on three occasions. Sounds very dodgy to me. Also, how come Maxwell’s daughter can go into hiding, given the accusations made against her.I hope Andrew and G. Maxwell are interviewed by the police investigating this case.Andrew is obviously an arrogant cretin of the highest order, but whether he is a criminal should be established.

Paul Doorly ● 2550d

I thought her original accusation was that Epstein forced her to have sex with various of his friends and colleagues.  Now that he's dead she can say anything.

Sue Hammond ● 2550d

"Now that he's dead she can say anything."She was accusing Prince Andrew in 2015."The actress [Koo Stark] said the sex allegations recently levied at Prince Andrew in legal papers filed in the US by Virginia Roberts amounted to an "assassination of his character". Ms Roberts, who is referred to in court as Jane Doe No 3, claims she was forced to have sex with Prince Andrew when she was 17 by his financier friend Jeffrey Epstein who is a convicted sex offender.Andrew, 54, vehemently denies the claims and Buckingham Palace has stated they are "false and without foundation"."https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/koo-stark-speaks-out-to-help-rebut-prince-andrew-sex-slave-claims-10046948.html

David Ainsworth ● 2550d

“I can't see that he's broken any laws”All ok if no “law” is broken? Is that you moral stance? Luckily we have a chap (well I assume it’s a he but who knows) on the forum who’s an expert on moral compasses. Did you check with your pal before posting? Your favoured oracle has an interesting take. Surprised you aren’t quoting it. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7367511/Prince-Andrew-pictured-inside-paedophile-Jeffrey-Epsteins-63million-mansion-depravity.html

Freddie Francis ● 2550d

The impression Prince Andrew gives is that he's a privileged, arrogant, stupid and naive person. I suspect what he really meant to say was I've slept with so many women, how can I be expected to remember this one? Reinforces my view the royal family is an anachronism in the 21st century.  I feel sorry for the Queen who I believe does have a sense of duty and propriety - but Charles,  Anne, Randy Andy, etc  have rather blown the idea of a hereditary monarchy having any "superiority" over their "subjects"? Also, it's  a mockery that any of those could head up a "Christian" church? At least EU representatives are directly elected or appointed by elected representatives rather than being random accidents of birth?

Michael Ixer ● 2550d

“At least EU representatives are directly elected or appointed by elected representatives rather than being random accidents of birth?”Ooh, light the blue touch-paper and retire to a safe distance 😏

Freddie Francis ● 2550d

' I've slept with so many women, how can I be expected to remember this one?' This!@Sue - Ms Roberts accusation centres around 'being forced' to have sex  with Andrew - which in both the US and here constitutes rape, which I understand is a crime.

Lucille Grant ● 2550d

@Freddie 01.09I haven't read anywhere that PA had broken any laws, if you have please point them out. I am not defending PA, in fact I've always considered him to be an arrogant prat, but I dislike any trial by media. You refer to "your pal", who is this?

Sue Hammond ● 2550d

Hello Lucille,While rape is vile to say the least, I think we need to prove, beyond any reasonable doubt, that he is guilty.A saint I do not think he is but rape....The other story that comes to mind is Cliff Richard.....

Ivonne Holliday ● 2550d

@LucilleAs I previously said, the accusation was that Epstein forced her to have sex with PA, and others. I haven't read that PA coerced her into having sex with him, have uou?

Sue Hammond ● 2550d

I like the pepper mill in this ...

Michael Ixer ● 2550d

Ivonne - If Prince Andrew won't submit to the appropriate authorities in the USA there's no way of finding out whether he is guilty or not of rape. At the moment it is his word against hers. Meanwhile the French are investigating his relationship with Epstein so I don't think this is a trial by media except (mainly) in our red top papers.  C'est la vie!

Lucille Grant ● 2550d

Sue I think it is still rape if she was unwilling to have sex with him, whoever coerced her.

Lucille Grant ● 2550d

Michael, very funny cartoon.  I wonder if Pizza Express Woking will see a big increase in customers, now it’s become the most famous one in the country.

Martine Guy ● 2550d

Great cartoon - I wonder if the publicity will help the fortunes of Pizza Express overall not just the now famous one in Woking!

Lucille Grant ● 2550d

I hope so, we love Pizza Express.

Martine Guy ● 2550d

@Lucille 10.36Yes it would be statuory rape.  However I haven't read that Ms Roberts tried to refuse or was unwilling, but perhaps I missed that?Great cartoon Michael.😸

Sue Hammond ● 2550d

Martine: Yes, but  exactly when and where did you last have one of their pizzas? Was it deep pan or Roman? Was it a Sloppy Giuseppe - or something else? With Coke or Orangeade? TRY AND  REMEMBER!

Alexander MacLeod ● 2550d

Unfortunately, as good as it is, Pizza Express is overpriced and overshadowed by the likes of Franco Manca to name but one of many. On a positive note they taste and look the same wherever you are in the country.The only branch I miss is Ketners in Soho. Had the pleasure of meeting the then owner, Peter Boizot there on one occassion.

Freddie Francis ● 2550d

Ha ha, indeed. But you must bear in mind that having a meal in Pizza sExpress is a ‘positive action’ for men and therefore memorable. Not sure it’s such a positive action for ladies of the opposite gender.

Paul Doorly ● 2550d

@ Paul what is exactly is 'a lady of the opposite gender'? Surely 'lady' would suffice?!

Lucille Grant ● 2550d

You can't be so sure these days. "lady of the opposite gender" sounds like a gender fluid description to me.

Freddie Francis ● 2550d

That's what worried me when I read it Freddie and why I asked for clarity.

Lucille Grant ● 2550d

On a serious note, it could be statutory rape as it is illegal in the UK to pay for or arrange sexual services if someone is under 18. So if Epstein or Maxwell set this up then it would be an illegal act. PA might claim ignorance of that even if sex had taken place but perhaps then that should be judged by 12 honest and true people? Someone suggested to me that Ms Maxwell might be arranging a plea bargain with the US law enforcement agencies. Also no one seems to know what happened to the diaries and videos Epstein was alleged to keep.On a more flippant note the Daily Mash is ghost writing PA's next book - perhaps it could for a set with The Art of the Deal?https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/features/how-to-get-out-of-trouble-by-prince-andrew-20191118190892

Michael Ixer ● 2550d

Apologies, it was a cheap jibe and a poor attempt at humour.I can only hang my head in shame and crawl out the back door to the sound of deafening silence.

Paul Doorly ● 2550d

Paul. You should have taken a tip from PA; brazened it out and said you did it out of honour? Ok, perhaps not ...

Michael Ixer ● 2550d

And now, Prince Andrew and the N-Word.https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/prince-andrew-caught-in-nword-row-former-downing-street-aide-rohan-silva-accuses-duke-of-york-of-a4289516.htmlRemind me, do we have to trust the MSM absolutely if it speaks about Prince Andrew, or only when it speaks of Corbyn and Labour?

David Ainsworth ● 2550d

Yes, David, this story has started doing the rounds, is Huffpost MSM? https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/prince-andrew-disastrous-interview-n-word-race-row_uk_5dd2851ee4b01f982f0598aa

Michael Ixer ● 2550d

I thought it was an intentional sideways joke. Quite amusing actually.

Freddie Francis ● 2550d

"is Huffpost MSM?"Best ask Paul Game. I can never remember what the letters stand for.

David Ainsworth ● 2550d

Hello Michael,The N-word spoken in 2012?I do not think that Prince Andrew is a little saint or whiter-than-white.  Is anybody?I cannot help feeling, rightly or wrongly, that Prince Andrew is "he next best thing" as Epstein is now dead.If he is guilty, let a jury of 12 pronounce him so.Media should have investigative journalists who are not, and I repeat not, a substitute for a jury.As I mentioned earlier, Cliff Richards comes to mind.

Ivonne Holliday ● 2550d

I think the use of the "N" word in this way anytime in the last 30 or more years shows how out of touch PA is. I don't think this is quite the same as the Cliff Richard case; in that instance the police were carrying out an investigation and the press were notified of that; I can't remember the exact sequence of events in the Epstein case but it started in Florida ending in as plea bargain there from which the UK press seemed to pick up on the PA angle - I don't think there's a police investigation in the UK - then, if I recall correctly, it was restarted by the US authorities in New York, focussing on Epstein and Maxwell? I find it interesting how in thge past couple of days several royal commentators have remarked on how thick and arrogant PA is and implied he'd probably ignored his advisors in going ahead with this interview. I find it crazy that there's people on this forum accusing people liked me who came from a working class families of being elites with a silver spoons in our mouths because we support remaining in the EU when there's idiots like this, born into a privileged position, who have friendship with a convicted paedophile doing interviews on TV talking about honour! OK, he may not have committed a criminal offence but he has demonstrated appalling behaviour and judgement, and - in my opinion - decimated the royal family's reputation. Rather blasts holes in the arguments of those Brexiteers, doesn't it? Rant over 🙂

Michael Ixer ● 2550d

Strangely, Alexander, I do remember, lol!  It was a Leggera Marguerita recently in the Eastbourne one.  And why do I remember,because it was served uncooked and I didn’t realise till I’d finished eating it.  I even said that it was a nice pizza.  Maybe washing it down with a glass of rose, helped.  What an idiot I am not to notice, but I didn’t  break into a sweat about it.

Martine Guy ● 2550d

MainStreamMediaHappy to help David!

Lucille Grant ● 2550d

I think the latest reviews for Pizza Express Woking, ie those about the Prince of Pizza, have been removed?  Or am I mistaken?

Martine Guy ● 2550d

Yes, Martine. Just the usual ones like "I never realised egg worked on a pizza ...". Oh, well, I suppose it was bound to happen, I expect they remove the bad reviews as well. Keeps someone employed!

Michael Ixer ● 2550d

Thank you. It's a nicer name.

David Ainsworth ● 2550d

Excellent point Michael.I think questions also need to be asked about the border agency.How did she enter the UK? What type of visa did she have?

Ed Robinson ● 2550d

Great article in The Times today:  on Saturday, Pizza Express Woking was just another branch, but by Sunday morning “it had found itself a central alibi in an international web of scandal that encompassed rape, Caribbean orgies, the 8th in line to the British throne and a suicide that many people still insist was anything but”.I loved this quote from a man who had come especially to take a photograph of the restaurant:“You don’t expect this in Woking Pizza Express” he said “Sunningdale yes, but not Woking”.

Martine Guy ● 2550d

Ed. US citizens don't need a visa to enter the UK for tourist or business purposes as long as they're not staying longer than six months. A visa is only required if they're coming to work in the UK. I'd have thought the Border Agency should have a record of her entry.

Michael Ixer ● 2550d

Hello Michael,I agree that using the N word is unacceptable but in all honesty, without prejudice, he did not use it - he uttered a quotation.  Politically-incorrect?  Perhaps, but being un-PC dies run in the family, does it not?I have not followed the Epstein affair much because I have not much interest in those sort of subjects; they bore me rigid!  Very wealthy men misbehaving - shall I use an example of POTUS?  Neither have been fine gentlemen, have they?As for PA, well, many moons ago I did come across him and was not that impressed with his behaviour - there again, it was many years ago and people do change.  PA being arrogant and thick?  I agree with the former but not convinced with the latter.I cannot for one minute believe PA decimated the royal family's reputation other than his own. It would be rather sad to think that everybody has forgotten Princess Anne! I honestly think that the Queen and Prince William are bastions of everything we hold dear to our hearts.  Prince Charles I will let you know when the time comes.You asked in other threads whether constitutional monarchies, in particular the British one, were an anathema. As someone who grew up in a country that is a republic, I would say that a constitutional monarchy today is of absolute necessity.  I cannot think if anything worse than having a Trump (or Johnson for that matter) figure as a head of state. As the saying goes, we do not know how wonderful somethings are until we lose them.

Ivonne Holliday ● 2550d