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Another Putney Poll

"The Liberal Democrats now cannot win this seat, but the impact they have on the vote of the other two parties will likely decide the winner."That's the verdict of the latest MRP polling. The Sunday Times Tim Shipman says of it..."The Datapraxis MRP is massive and has now such a huge sample size that it's 700-800 voters in most seats, which means it has a better chance of being accurate"Putney starts Page 12...https://www.dataprax.is/tory-landslide-or-hung-parliament

Adrian Pearce ● 2530d23 Comments

Please vote Conservative for common sense. Let’s not bankrupt the country Let’s have a government that makes people want to aspire to do wellLet’s have a government that isn’t pro IRA or Hammas a government that backs our military, supports the monarchy and has ambition. Freebies aren’t a reason to vote Labour, Someone has to pay for all the freebies and that’s us!!Then the money runs out!! That’s a fact .

Nick Gulliford ● 2530d

And Brexit we are offered will make us better off??  I think not.

Jonathan Callaway ● 2530d

Totally agree Nick, thank goodness this nightmare will be over in a few days

Bunny Payne ● 2530d

You make some great points.No sensible person could disagree with your post.

Paul Game ● 2530d

@17.08 NickI really wish there was a ‘Totally disagree’ icon I could press. I am so furious with this utter nonsense from Nick that I am not going to write anymore. I’ll just say it really, really gets up my nose when a southern twat is happy to dismiss the Good Friday agreement in the north and all the benefits it has brought, with some utter nonsensical, ignorant BS.I am sorry. Some days humour works, other times the sheer stupidity smacks my gob too hard.

Paul Doorly ● 2530d

NickI admire much of what you usually say, however here you are talking toshRE HAMAS and the IRA, the fact is when dealing with ideological people you cannot lock horns with them, that is ultimately what they prepare themselves for. You have to treat them like people and be prepared to talk AND listen.... if you want peace that isNever EVER forget that Thatcher called Mandela a terrorist.... do you agree with that? He is probably one of the most inspirational people I grew up learning about. I say that as a whites personGhandi At one point I’m sure was also labelled a terrorist, so please have a think about what you are sayingSee the bigger picture, not just cheap council taxPs. I’m am not a Corbyn fan, just so you are aware but your comment really really wound me up

Emarisa Battoia ● 2530d

100% agree

Lucille Grant ● 2530d

Spot on Emma. One persons terrorist is another persons freedom fighter, sometimes it’s just a matter of perspective.When negotiating peace you don’t just talk to you friends but also with your enemies. It’s not complicated, it just requires a bit of imagination and empathy, not blind arrogance.

Paul Doorly ● 2530d

Of course it’s ok to slam Corbyn talking to HAMAS, while turning a blind eye to our relationship with the Saudis and all that they stand for (including the funding that they give to terrorists in the UK and Europe).... funny how the Conservatives love them and the people who speak out about them are Labour. All in the name of money.......

Emarisa Battoia ● 2530d

'RE HAMAS and the IRA, the fact is when dealing with ideological people you cannot lock horns with them, that is ultimately what they prepare themselves for. You have to treat them like people and be prepared to talk AND listen.... if you want peace that is'This  forum really gets funnier by the day.Listen to the IRA?I wonder what Jean McConville's children would have to say about that. her murderers didnl't listen to her  before they dragged her away in front of them, then a her body and refused to say where she was buried. Have you forgotten the Warrington Mother's Day bombing when 12 year old Tim Parry lost his  life?Listen to Hamas? From Amnesty International https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-hamas-rights/amnesty-international-hamas-committed-war-crimes-against-gaza-civilians-idUSKBN0OB2N420150527Some terrorists do not want to listen Emarisa.

Lucille Grant ● 2530d

'When negotiating peace you don’t just talk to you friends but also with your enemies. It’s not complicated, it just requires a bit of imagination and empathy, not blind arrogance.'Jeremy Corbyn has  spoken with Hamas but never once with the Israelis re negotiating  peace in the region.

Lucille Grant ● 2530d

That's odd, didn't the NI peace process succeed because of talks with the IRA?

Matt Palmer ● 2530d

not according to dear Lucille over there in FranceI would love to watch her sitting down with her views with people on both sides from Northern IrelandOf course, the correct way to have dealt with the matter would have been to have the British Army there smoothing everything over and refusing to talk in any way at all..... oh wait, we did that for decades already didn’t we? And then we sat down to listen, speak and treat each other as equals. And blow me down, what was the result?I’ll shout it so that you can hear it there in France..... THE PEACE PROCESS WAS BORN

Emarisa Battoia ● 2530d

I wonder why, maybe partly due to the unwillingness to listen on the part of the current Israeli leaderWith different leaders before them on both sides, progress was made. Because they were prepared to listenOh wait, you criticised that a minute ago didn’t you?

Emarisa Battoia ● 2530d

That’s it Emma, it’s people who are stirring the hornet’s nest in far away places, where the main effects will be felt by the people living there. I remember bombs, shootings, kidnappings, murders in Dublin, Belfast, Derry and also in  England.  Anyone can mount their high horse and spout one sided nonsense about this stuff. But I take the opinions of these armchair dullards with a bucketful of salt when they’re sitting far away from the front line and suffering none of the effects. It’s others who pay the price. Talk is cheap, and  anyone who is prepared to sit down and find a route to peace deserves respect and support, not cheap, ignorant mockery.

Paul Doorly ● 2529d

"Some terrorists do not want to listen".They certainly do not. They impose silence."The assassination of Israeli Prime Minister and Defence Minister Yitzhak Rabin was the culmination of an anti-violence rally in support of the Oslo peace process." 4th November 1995. (Wikipedia) Months before this killing:-"National religious conservatives and Likud party leaders believed that withdrawing from any "Jewish" land was heresy. The Likud leader and future prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, accused Rabin's government of being "removed from Jewish tradition [...] and Jewish values". Right-wing rabbis associated with the settlers' movement prohibited territorial concessions to the Palestinians and forbade soldiers in the Israel Defense Forces from evacuating Jewish settlers under the accords. Some rabbis proclaimed din rodef, based on a traditional Jewish law of self-defense, against Rabin personally, arguing that the Oslo Accords would endanger Jewish lives. "Rallies organized by Likud and other right-wing groups featured depictions of Rabin in a Nazi SS uniform, or in the crosshairs of a gun. Protesters compared the Labor party to the Nazis and Rabin to Adolf Hitler  and chanted, "Rabin is a murderer" and "Rabin is a traitor". In July 1995, Netanyahu led a mock funeral procession featuring a coffin and hangman's noose at an anti-Rabin rally where protesters chanted, "Death to Rabin". The chief of internal security, Carmi Gillon, then alerted Netanyahu of a plot on Rabin's life and asked him to moderate the protests' rhetoric, which Netanyahu declined to do. Netanyahu denied any intention to incite violence." (Wikipedia)A terrorist killed a leader who was trying to head towards a peace. And Netanyahu is Prime Minister now.

David Ainsworth ● 2529d

@Emaria apologies if my wording offended you and Paul. Sympathiser should’ve been used instead of Pro.I genuinely fear for the country though if Corbyn were to get in. Even the Left wing Guardian newspaper has turned on the anti Semitic party this morning. Bookmakers now have Cons 1/4 to win a majority! I believe Will Sweet, whilst maybe not the best campaigner, is very bright and passionate about our constituency. He will make a very good Mp of voted in.

Nick Gulliford ● 2529d

Hamas  has never been prepared to listen.But hey, it's have-a-go at Lucille day it seems.David - Israel's current problems certainly began when Rabin was  murdered by a Right Wing activist. I've never supported Netanyahu and  the fact that Israel is as divided ove  a new Government  just as we are is quite telling. They've had two elections this year and still no government can be formed.Emarisa - I may be in France currently but my home is in London, born and bred and proud of it. Enough with your snide remarks, thank you.

Lucille Grant ● 2529d

Paul, the Good Friday Agreement has been described as a truce and that’s as good a description as any. There has been no Truth & Reconciliation Commission and inevitably there are a lot of wounds kept open on both sides. I absolutely agree Brexit puts this fragile truce at risk but what about the longer term?  I read much of what Fintan O’Toole has to say - one of those Irish commentators who put us Brits to shame when he reminds us of the ignorance and indifference of many Brits about matters Irish. But even he has no answer to the longer term challenge.  Border poll and reunifying Ireland?  “Yes ... but not yet” is basically what he said. The problem is what to do with the roughly 1,000,000 Northern Irish Unionists in a United Ireland. What is your view?

Jonathan Callaway ● 2529d

"Hamas  has never been prepared to listen."And yet they do:-"According to commentary in Israel's Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper the security establishment believes it has improved the chances of a truce arrangement with Hamas and expects politicians to translate the "relatively successful round of fighting" into diplomatic gains. From Hamas' point of view, says Mukhaimer Abu Saada, that depends on whether Israel eases its blockade. "If Israel is going to alleviate the daily life conditions in Gaza I can guarantee you Hamas will continue the ceasefire understandings," he says. "But if the situation doesn't improve, it's only a matter of time before the next escalation will happen.""Of course, for Israel it is about "diplomatic gains", whereas for Hamas and Gaza it is about sheer survival in a small remainder of their land by alleviating "the daily life conditions".https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-50458141"But hey, it's have-a-go at Lucille day it seems."Sorry, I did not notice that there was no right-of-reply allowed for your postings."Cet animal est très méchant. Quand on l'attaque il se défend.""I've never supported Netanyahu and the fact that Israel is as divided over a new Government just as we are is quite telling."There is no similarity. At least in the UK, there is a real choice between opposing sides. There is no real difference between Ganz and Netanyahu. "Palestinian PM: Difference between Gantz and Netanyahu ‘like Pepsi and Coke’" (Times of Israel, 17th Sept. 2019)

David Ainsworth ● 2529d

This forms part of  the Hamas charter which they have never renounced: "our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious" and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic state in Palestine, in place of Israel and the Palestinian Territories and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel. It emphasizes the importance of jihad, stating in article 13, "There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad."Did you read the Amnesty report I posted re Hamas and Gazan citizens? There has been no election for the Palestinians since 2006. They were due to be held in 2014 then 2017. As late as last month the terms of a new election still hadn't been agreed, so don't talk to me about Netanyahu, Ganz and the Israeli elections.

Lucille Grant ● 2529d

"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad."If it is accepted that territory may be conquered in war and then be retained, then how else can it be retrieved, than by war?"The US has reversed its four-decade policy on Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank by saying it no longer considers them inconsistent with international law.The latest in a series of concessions to Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu, the Trump administration said it was “reversing the Obama administration’s approach towards Israeli settlements”.In a televised appearance at the US state department, Mike Pompeo, the secretary of state, said: “The establishment of Israeli civilian settlements is not, per se, inconsistent with international law.”The building of Jewish settlements on territory historically occupied by the Palestinians has been repeatedly condemned by the international community, and is the subject of several resolutions by the United Nations." (Independent November 18th 2019)Sauce for the goose ...

David Ainsworth ● 2529d

Apologies to all concerned that I have gone "off piste" from the subject. I know that such behaviour will make Barbara fed up, and others too. My only mitigation is that it is "joint enterprise".------------------------"If I am fancy freeAnd love to wanderIt's just the Gypsy in my soul"

David Ainsworth ● 2529d