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Amazingly, I think JC was right this time

On the whole, I have not agreed with JC's interventions in the HoC.  Amazingly, today, I agree with the parallel he drew between foreign black boys and foreign white boys who "dabbed" in Class A drugs and the recent deportations.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51474170It was also reported in the Independent:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-jeremy-corbyn-pmqs-jamaica-deportation-home-office-black-white-a9331201.html

Ivonne Holliday ● 2464d9 Comments

Yes, say that exchange on TV. Yet another reason I couldn't vote for a party lead by Johnson. It's not so much what he did, it was a while ago, but the hypocrisy. One may disagree with what Corbyn stands for but he's been pretty open and acted in good faith for what he believes is in the best long term interests rather than for immediate personal gain.

Michael Ixer ● 2464d

I largely agree but, at the same time, we should distinguish between using drugs and dealing them. The law certainly does.

Frances Clarke ● 2460d

Frances, I suspect it's not that simp!e. When one gets down to the bottom of the chain then some users are dealing drugs to friends either to fund their own habit or as a "favour" to friends, and in the drug culture they live don't have any understanding of the unintended consequences of their actions. One could take the view it's what the law says so they got what they asked for it terms of being deported - and some murderers and rapist perhaps are better a long way away - although I believe there's some statistics that show being black means one's more likely to be treated harshly by the justice system which I think was what JC was alluding to. However, that doesn't get away from the fact some of those deported have children; the danger is this these children will now grow up in single parent families, possibly in disadvantaged financial circumstances and may become deeply resentful of the UK administration that deprived them of a family life; that in turn may mean they become subsumed in a counter cultureof crime and drugs - the typical declining spiural of resentment. I'm not saying that's a given, some of the single mothers may do a great job and perhaps some of the fathers would be a bad influence; it's just that this seems to be a rather blunt instrument without looking at the full ramifications while the bosses of the crime syndicates controlling the drugs markets and money laundering seem to escape sanctions ...

Michael Ixer ● 2460d

Young kids are definitely groomed to carry drugs to sell. Drug dealers also do their best to make young people addicted to drugs, so that they will carry on working for them and become part of the cycle.The government, the drug workers, the social services, everyone knows this.  But I don't see any real positive action to destroy this root and branch.  Perhaps the only way is to legalise, monitor and control drugs?  I don't see any other way, unless we solved the problems of youngsters living on estates without much support and decent youth services.

Bunny Payne ● 2460d

"I don't see any other way, unless we solved the problems of youngsters living on estates without much support and decent youth services".Well that would be a start. But, added to that, we need to bring back early years work with children and families eg Sure Start.

Caroline Whitehead ● 2460d

One wonders what's going on in western democracies (if that's the correct description):https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/17/no-10-refuses-to-comment-on-pms-views-of-racial-iqand in the US ...https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/02/11/why-bill-barrs-doj-replaced-catholic-charities-with-hookers-jesus/

Michael Ixer ● 2459d

It is completely unacceptable as equally appalling that anybody with so-called "high intellect" would say such a thing.  It really irritated me enormously.  Also, if such person is an adviser to No. 10, one must infer that it agrees with eugenics.  Horrific!Have not seen the article from the Washington Post yet.

Ivonne Holliday ● 2459d

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VplePNEU2PI

Philippa Bond ● 2458d

I've heard the whole of Desert Island Discs with Ian Wright now...  Beware those of a supersensitive nature.

Philippa Bond ● 2454d