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Boris and Carrie Have A Baby Boy!

Congratulations to all 3 of them! 😸

Sue Hammond ● 2387d49 Comments

Yes Sue , with so much despair it's nice to hear of new life coming into the world.After my daughter in law had a stillborn 3 years ( Art Allan ) back we thought that was that but in another 12 weeks or so our little rainbow baby will hopefully join the throng.Congrats to Boris and Carrie, such a precious gift.

Andy Pike ● 2387d

Hi Andy, a baby is a precious gift indeed and thanks for adding your congratulations to mine. It's sad that nobody else can get over their anti-Boris prejudices and wish them well too. You and your family have your own precious gift arriving soon and I hope all goes well. Do you know whether your Son and Daughter-in-law are expecting a boy or a girl?

Sue Hammond ● 2386d

Thanks Sue.No idea of sex yet as peanut would not play ball at the last scan. Whilst it would be nice to know the big aim is to get a crying pooping gurgling baby home.

Andy Pike ● 2386d

"It's sad that nobody else can get over their anti-Boris prejudices and wish them well too."It's sad that your prejudiced assumptions about others force you to weaponise the wishing of congratulations on a happy event.

David Ainsworth ● 2386d

David. You've had all morning to add your own congrats, but I note you have not, and neither have many others who regularly slag off Boris.  Coincidence or prejudice?  I think we both know the answer to that.

Sue Hammond ● 2386d

@Andy"...the big aim is to get a crying pooping gurgling baby home."Yes that is the most important thing of all.  Happy nappy changing days ahead! xx

Sue Hammond ● 2386d

Yes congratulations to Boris and Carrie along with their respective families.  This is really good news after both families have gone through the mill lately.  We are all human.  I miss my grandchildren very much and a remote game of Guess Who is not as much fun as a cuddle!  Andy good luck with the new arrival,  spoil your daughter in law and remind her of how clever she is in creating a life.

Robert Wheeler ● 2386d

All morning? So you WERE running a clock on this. We were being tested. Pretty well everybody has let you down then, in your eyes. If you were to look back through this Forum, you might notice that I am generally absent from any congratulations to public figures who have happy events. I just don't do that. I certainly wouldn't have done it for Corbyn in such an event, and I am trying to imagine your honest reaction if Corbyn had had a child. Once you had got over your utter shock and horror at this event, would you have congratulated Corbyn? Honestly?

David Ainsworth ● 2386d

Why can’t you separate the human being from the politician. I would have congratulated Corbyn even tho l wouldn’t support him politically.  Sue has obviously touched a nerve.

Robert Wheeler ● 2386d

Interesting, Sue. So you've been running a social engineering experiment to see how many people respond in a timely mnanber to your post but you think it's ridiculous that someone we know who has now admitted to using a false identity isn't? To be honest I was participating in a WebEx most of the morning and when I looked at the forum my first action was to post a random pic and look at the postings on some threads I was following. I did see yours - and Barbara's - but as I'd seen about the #10 sprog on the news it wasn't a top priority. I'm sure it's a happy event for them, their familues and friends after what they've been through recently(not sure about how Johnston's previous family feel about it?) but I feel it's their business. No bad feelings  towards the PM regarding this but I don't consider it my business, guess I'm ambivalent about it: I just don't get excited about babies unless they're related to family or friends. Does that help your experiment? As you said to me elsewhere, Sue, get over yourself :-) 😺

Michael Ixer ● 2386d

Boris  already  has 7 (or 8?)  other children. He  was unfaithful and breeding this new child while his official wife (you know, the woman he was unfaithful to his first  wife with) was suffering from cancer. I don't wish Carrie or the baby ill but  it's the other  people in Boris's life that he pushes aside that I feel for.  PS Andy, wishing your grandchild a happy and healthy entry to the world in 12  weeks time!

Lucille Grant ● 2386d

Boris is a  human being  with massive flaws one of them being  he simply cannot  be faithful to any partner/wife. Whether one should separate this from his ability to be a politician is neither here nor there.I don't think a nerve has been touched at all. David has explained he doesn't congratulate people he doesn't know personally. Why should he,  or anyone else for that matter, congratulate Boris on bringing yet another of his  offspring into the world just because some people on this forum think he should? Seriously!

Lucille Grant ● 2386d

Yes, wishing Andy and his family well, as someone I feel I know from his forum posts.

Michael Ixer ● 2386d

From the reaction it clearly has touched a nerve.  Somebody should put the tea on!

Robert Wheeler ● 2386d

@David 15.32"Once you had got over your utter shock and horror at this event, would you have congratulated Corbyn? Honestly?"I would probably congratulate the old boy for achieving the task in the first place!😸

Sue Hammond ● 2386d

Thanks for all the good wishes

Andy Pike ● 2386d

Best wishes. I'm sorry that our argument was intrusive.

David Ainsworth ● 2386d

@Lucille 16.11Boris married Marina Wheeler, his second wife in 1993 after they had an affair whilst he was married to his first wife, Allegra Mostyn-Owen.Boris and Marina Wheeler separated in 2018. They were divorced last month after Ms Wheeler agreed to a £4M settlement. Not a bad outcome for his former mistress?Boris started dating Carrie in 2019. She has never been his mistress.What business is it of yours, or anybody else how many children Boris has?

Sue Hammond ● 2386d

@Michael 16.07"Interesting, Sue. So you've been running a social engineering experiment to see how many people respond in a timely mnanber to your post but you think it's ridiculous that someone we know who has now admitted to using a false identity isn't?"I haven't been running any kind of experiment Michael, you always overthink things lol.  I'm not sure what you mean by "you think it's ridiculous that someone we know who has now admitted to using a false identity isn't?" so could you clarify that please?

Sue Hammond ● 2386d

Sue and Andy, I add my congratulations to Boris and Carrie, who, politics aside, have had a pretty hard time recently.My niece had her baby last week and it was a very anxious time, ended up having a C-section and out of hospital the next day, highly unusual but was felt she'd be better at home.  They're all {Mum, Dad and 2 little sisters aged 6 and 4) isolating just now, and having a lovely time from what I can see on Facetime.My heart goes out to everyone, where life goes on, my auntie died and her funeral is today, only her children and husband can go.  Nothing to do with the virus.  But these are difficult times and I wish love and kind thoughts to everyone who have their individual stories ...

Bunny Payne ● 2386d

"What business is it of yours, or anybody else how many children Boris has?"and yet:-"David. You've had all morning to add your own congrats, but I note you have not"So not only do you demand that Johnson's new child IS my business, you assume the right to demand that I congratulate Johnson. For you even my silence is a proof of "prejudice".

David Ainsworth ● 2386d

This is almost getting like North Korea, where people who don't applaud the Dear Leader sufficiently enthusiastically tend fo fall foul of the authorities. Unpleasant.

Richard Carter ● 2386d

Very sorry to hear about your auntie, Bunny. Very hard for you and others who in better times would have gone to her funeral. Take care yourself

Jane Carter ● 2386d

@SueOf course Carrie was his mistress! He was shagging her while still married to Marina. Why do you think his 4 legitimate children were furious with him especially as their mother was battling cancer!Marina  well deserves whatever financial payout she got - they were married for 25 years.BTW If I was Carrie I'd be worried - as  James Goldsmith, father of  Boris's mate, famously stated 'when a man  marries his mistress, he creates a vacancy' so maybe she shouldn't rush to  get married after all.

Lucille Grant ● 2386d

@Sue, LOL. I was just, er, taking the p!ss and linking your monitoring of how many people congratulated the PM and his fiancée with your comment about me being suspicious of our friend IY on the other topic of possibly having a reason for not wanting to identified. Yawn :-) perhaps don't over think my facetious comments ...

Michael Ixer ● 2386d

@Sue, LOL. I was just, er, taking the p!ss and linking your monitoring of how many people congratulated the PM and his fiancée with your comment about me being suspicious of our friend IY on the other topic of possibly having a reason for not wanting to identified. Yawn :-) perhaps don't over think my facetious comments ...

Michael Ixer ● 2386d

Bunny. Very sorry to hear about your auntie. Difficult times for many. But congratulations on your new family member and hope they're all doing well in isolation. Look to the future: if we persevere it will get better.

Michael Ixer ● 2386d

I have no interest in politicians private lives unless it is relevant to their work.Their private lives should be just that.I believe good comments as well as bad just fuels this horrible need that this society has to know about public people lives. It blurs what the real relationship should be between the public and public servants.I have no ideal who the Taoiseach partner or the German Chancellors partners are nor do I want to know unless its relevant.Now we are accused by not commenting.My comment just for the record are that all life is previous young and old and all should be celebrated as we are all mortal and are here for a very short time.But now I'm here I should point out that it was Carrie that executed the exit plan so it should be Carrie and ...Lastly just a bit of warpled humour: lack of PPE costs lives but may also result in the creation of life...

Ed Robinson ● 2386d

But everything about Johnson is political. His whole character and his 'Boris' persona, with its exaggerations and evasions, are all intended to make him the centre of attention. That's how and why he manoeuvred the population towards Brexit and manipulated himself into being Tory leader, then sidelined Parliament and the courts to become 'the voice of the people' and delivered a whacking Tory majority comprised of like-minded MPs. Job done! His engagement and Carry's upcoming pregnancy were announced some time after the event for best effect. Alongside reports of 'mild symptoms', he was actually ill enough to end up in intensive care after flouting his own official guidelines. This was followed, apparently, by a couple of weeks convalescence while his ministers struggled to deal with the serious stuff.  Then, after apparent dithering over whether Johnson would be taking PMQs yesterday, it was revealed that he'd been at the birth of his umpteenth child all along, at a secret location and with a remarkable lack of further details. It's all part of the shape-shifting Boris story, which wasn't really intended to include steering our country through these uniquely difficult times. Now we're stuck with him!

Peter Evans ● 2385d

Now we're stuck with himThankfully

Andy Pike ● 2385d

""Now we're stuck with him""Thankfully""Gosh, so certain, and so soon.

David Ainsworth ● 2385d

You beat me to it, David.

Lucille Grant ● 2385d

Its clearly better than the alternative we were offered and rejected in December

Andy Pike ● 2385d

I should add  'in my opinion'And we all have opinions rightly so

Andy Pike ● 2385d

But is he better than Rishi Sanuk?Or more importantly do the string pullers think they need more reliable hands on the wheel?

Ed Robinson ● 2385d

Have to say I like Rishi and he is certainly one for the future .

Andy Pike ● 2385d

The future starts now as they say!I think as soon as, (I have to be careful with words here), became incapable of doing the job due to illness, our head of state should have appointed the chancellor as PM. It would have been better for both the PM and the country.

Ed Robinson ● 2385d

Ed. I don't think our head of state would make that move without advice, perhaps from the privy council? Is there any precedent for such a move? I agree with your sentiments though.

Michael Ixer ● 2385d

Michael, it's just another example of the workings of our state/democracy being out of dateAs far as I can see the precedent is in fact to cover it up and hope no one finds out!https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/09/no-10-prime-minister-lloyd-george-churchill-boris-johnson-coronavirus

Ed Robinson ● 2385d

Not just out of date, it's inadequate in a fast moving, modern world. At least the US constitution specifies a pecking order of vice-president, then house speaker.  (A US friend of mine was wondering what the chances were of Trump and Pence contracting CV19 given their lax social distancing ... they don't mince words on their politicians over there.) Not sure how we can address the inadequacies or update it? Times have changed in some respects, I've been told in the 50s newspaper proprietors would still collude with governments to suppress some news, after all they went to the same schools, and often drank and dined in the same clubs ... perhaps some still do ...

Michael Ixer ● 2385d

You're quite right Michael, that's the way it used to work in the days of the "old boy network" because the majority of  the country were either women, or men very poorly educated, poor and often illiterate.Since the 2nd World War all that has changed, mainly through Socialism and the will of the people, soldiers went to war away from the UK and saw life differently, women worked.I still don't see the point of having some kind of robotic PM (nobody particularly in mind) who is a good bean counter and remembers things well.  Boris is a personality, whether you like him or not, and most of the public are sheeplike in one way or another, who need a leader (and I include myself in that).  It's human nature..that's why Ms May did so badly and Mrs Thatcher (NOT a fan) did so well.  Boris is a terrific leader, and has the intelligence and good sense to take advice from the best people in the country.  It may seem ridiculous to some, but people take heart when they hear him speak and he is very uplifting.  That's what a leader is.

Bunny Payne ● 2384d

Bunny - whatever you thought of Mrs Thatcher - she got things done, as our ex MP Mr Mellor used to say. (Neither got my vote)Unfortunately May's 10+ years at the home office and PM was just a empty sometimes nasty PR campaign.The dear leader stuff I will ignore - but will just add that Amazon's Echo - Alexa can also give uplifting waffle and play music..

Ed Robinson ● 2384d

@David"What business is it of yours, or anybody else how many children Boris has?"and yet:-"David. You've had all morning to add your own congrats, but I note you have not"So not only do you demand that Johnson's new child IS my business, you assume the right to demand that I congratulate Johnson. For you even my silence is a proof of "prejudice".You sound quite paranoid David. 🙄 I'm not demanding anything of you.  What a horrible thought ...

Sue Hammond ● 2384d

Well, whether we liked Maggie Thatcher or not, the UK in the 70s was known as the "sick man of Europe".  She managed to reverse that.  I think the greatest achievement was the tunnel! But unfortunately, since her, our leaders have not been up to the mark. I would suggest the current leader is light years behind her!!   Politics have changed enormously since then.  The downfall is that they all try to be "popular". I just wish they were leaders!

Ivonne Holliday ● 2384d

@Lucille"Boris on bringing yet another of his  offspring into the world just because some people on this forum think he should?"Who on the forum has said Boris should have another child Lucille?  Nobody. Personally I don't care how many children Boris has and I am mystified why you keep squawking about it. Also, let's remember it is also the responsibility/choice of the woman whether to have a baby or not, so why put all the blame on the man?  Such an old-fashioned view. 🙄

Sue Hammond ● 2383d

The complete sentence, showing the context of the quote:-"David has explained he doesn't congratulate people he doesn't know personally. Why should he,  or anyone else for that matter, congratulate Boris on bringing yet another of his  offspring into the world just because some people on this forum think he should?" Simplified:-"Why should he [David] ... congratulate Boris ... just because some people on this forum think he [David] should [congratulate Boris]?"

David Ainsworth ● 2383d

Careful David, you'll also be accused of 'squwarking' !!

Lucille Grant ● 2383d

@Lucille 29/04/2020 18.58"Of course Carrie was his mistress! He was shagging her while still married to Marina. Why do you think his 4 legitimate children were furious with him especially as their mother was battling cancer!Marina  well deserves whatever financial payout she got - they were married for 25 years.BTW If I was Carrie I'd be worried - as  James Goldsmith, father of  Boris's mate, famously stated 'when a man  marries his mistress, he creates a vacancy' so maybe she shouldn't rush to  get married after all."Shagging her"?  Ugh how common.🙄  So you know this to be a fact do you Lucille?  If an affair between B&C had been going on in 2018 it would have been splashed all over the newspapers as the media scrutiny of Boris has been relentless for years. The papers would have had a field day, especially leftie rags like the Guardian and the Mirror.  I haven't seen any relevant reports in 2018, but if you have please point me to them and I will accept that I am wrong. I fully agree that Marina Wheeler is entitled to her settlement and perhaps she was glad to be rid of Boris anyway?  Freedom + £millions in the bank seems like a win-win situation to me.  However having been his mistress herself perhaps the advice you direct at Carrie should have been heeded by Marina?

Sue Hammond ● 2381d

"Shagging her"?  Ugh how common. Quite, Sus, I'm sure given his history studies there's a good old Anglo Saxon word more appropriate to Johnson activities  :-)

Michael Ixer ● 2381d