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Herb, veggie Indian restaurant, Leicester https://flic.kr/p/2p5vLkyAn interesting spin on multi-culturalism? Perhaps the last super was vegetarian, a lot of middle eastern food is veggie and vegan …

Michael Ixer ● 1068d8 Comments

Perhaps, who knows?  It never occurred to me to ask about what was eaten at the last supper.  I see some fish in the middle of the table?A lot of Middle Eastern food is veggie and delicious.  However,  they do eat a lot of lamb and mutton, a little less of chicken.

Ivonne Holliday ● 1067d

I just Googled it and the first entry says:"Learn more at BBC. Recent research suggests a bean stew, lamb, olives, bitter herbs, a fish sauce, unleavened bread, dates and aromatized wine likely were on the menu at the Last Supper."But the link is not the BBC, but PBS.https://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/blog/jesus-last-supper-menu-revealed-archaeology-study-secrets-news-march-19-25-2016/#:~:text=Learn%20more%20at%20BBC.&text=Recent%20research%20suggests%20a%20bean,menu%20at%20the%20Last%20Supper.See paragraph 6.  The link to the BBC below the paragraph takes you to an article on: Galloway Viking treasure pot's contents revealed after more than 1,000 yearshttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-35871538  🤷‍♂️

Ivonne Holliday ● 1067d

My apologies but I made a mistake in my last comment!!!!! The link is not from the BBC, but PBS. https://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/blog/jesus-last-supper-menu-revealed-archaeology-study-secrets-news-march-19-25-2016/#:~:text=Learn%20more%20at%20BBC.&text=Recent%20research%20suggests%20a%20bean,menu%20at%20the%20Last%20Supper. Read paragraph 4 (not 6) which has a link to Live Science https://www.livescience.com/54154-jesus-last-supper-menu-revealed-in-archaeology-study.html I am truly sorry for the confusion!!!  🫣🫣

Ivonne Holliday ● 1067d

Thanks, Ivonne. I sort of worked out that the reference to paragraph 6 wasn't correct :-)Interesting, I'd never really thought about it either. Pity they have fish depicted in a veggie restaurant but I'm told the owner isn't a vegetarian so perhaps he hadn't thought that through!

Michael Ixer ● 1067d

Perhaps! I have also learnt that some vegans have had to start eating eggs and fish because of nutritional deficiencies.  The B12 was not enough for them...

Ivonne Holliday ● 1067d

That's because the don't research it properly.  There are vegan sources of B12: nutritional yeast, some tempehs and seaweeds, other foods such as cereals fortified with B12, and vegan supplements to name a few.My wife's been vegan for c25 years and doesn't have a problem with that but she's very clued up on the subject, as are many other long standing and healthy vegans I know. 

Michael Ixer ● 1067d

I have no doubt that you are correct. I followed some courses on vegan cheeses and gluten free breads because a relative of ours decided to follow a vegan diet but was later diagnosed as gluten intolerant. The cheeses were absolutely amazing!  I did not perfect them as such (meaning maturing them into cheddar cheese and others) but the basic cheese made from cashew nuts is unbelievably delicious!  The breads are quite a bit more challenging....  I am following her "Healthy Menu" which  is brilliant and also her deserts are fantastic. She is based in Spain, is an extremely respected and experienced chef and, after watching her programmes, can say she has an amazing amount of energy and looks extremely healthy. She was diagnosed as having thyroid problems and something else and her doctor, as well as her nutritionist, recommended she ate fish and added eggs to her diet.  She apologized profusely to everybody about her change of diet and invited all of her followers to leave her courses/programmes as she was no longer classed as a vegan.  Nobody stopped as far as I am aware. My relative is a nurse in the West Country.  She had been working very long hours for weeks on end, was beyond exhausted and her boyfried said enough is enough — you need strong sustenance.  So he bought her fish and chips.  She loved them and felt enormously better after eating them.  I am not too sure she is eating eggs but would not categorically say she has stopped eating fish.  As a meat eater, I am very aware that a vegan diet can be incredibly healthy.  However, if somebody has physical problems diagnosed, I would never say they cannot include items such as eggs or fish in their diet. 

Ivonne Holliday ● 1067d

Yes, vegan "cheese" making techniques have advanced significantly over the last decade and there are more excellent recipes. 

Recommending not vegan options when someone isn't well is controversial.  As I'm not a dietary expert I won't get involved in a long discussion but many strict vegans feel this happens because most doctors haven't had a lot of nutritional training so default to their limited knowledge about diets. It's obviously up to each vegan; some vegans just wouldn't eat animal products.

Interestingly, some cardiologist have converted to plant based diets but as they're doing it for health reasons I don't know how strict they are. 

Michael Ixer ● 1067d