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New hobby club CAMCART

CAMCART  We are looking for like minded folk to join this newly established anorak club. Throw away your trainspotting anorak and your eye spy book of buses and join us.We have two major hobbies at the moment (but are always open to new ideas – as long as we agree with them). Firstly we stand on corners by banned left and right turns photographing vehicles breaking the ban then write long and repetitive emails to anyone who will listen. However, when they don’t listen we like to post our over long representations on our local forum so that everyone knows how we spend our day.Secondly we meet outside local schools photographing vehicles with their engines running we log their number plate and post the pictures on the forum for all to see. For this exercise please be sure to wear your CAMCART anorak at all times so as not to be mistaken for suspicious old men hanging around school gates with a camera phone in hand. Also remember to note what school you are outside so as not to foolishly report the wrong one.Once a week we meet in a local hostelry to agree with everything our founders ever say on matters such as Brexit or Wpcc , climate change etc. we do not encourage members to have a different view and those that do must be prepared to prove their case following extensive interrogation.Coming soon we are planning to hold a cut and paste day to enable members to hammer home their points and carefully select those articles that agree with the founders views.We will also be discussing the merits of re posting 7 years and older emails to remind folk how wonderful it is in our club.Finally, we would ask members not to photograph cyclists that break the law by riding on pavements, the wrong way down one way streets or jumping pedestrian lights. These folk are heroes and only break the law in the interests of saving the planet.Come on down and join us next meeting at the Spencer benches !John and Richard 

Andy Pike ● 2674d27 Comments ● 2673d

Liberalism and the left verdsus right

Thought I'd open a new thread for this one. There seem to be some assumptions concerning liberalism and left versus right politics. Listening to the Q&A after Edward Snowdon's keynote speech at the Open Rights Group conference last Saturday, someone implied his politics had shifted left since moving from the US to Russia. His response was that he was still a free marketer so, no, he was essentially right wing as he'd always been and hadn't become a socialist or "commie" as a result of his relocation: he was still in the same place on the east/west horizontal line. However, if one looked at the north (authoritarian)/south (libertarian) poles then he had definitely moved south on the vertical line in making his decision and taking his action to quit the NSA/CIA and becoming a whistleblower. If one looks at the definitions (cribbed from Wikipedia) of liberal (a political and moral philosophy based on individual libertty, consent of the governed, and equality before the law) and authoritarianism (individual freedoms are subordinate to the state, and there is no constitutional accountability and no rule of law) then there's the possibility of many variations between extreme authoritarian left or right wing thinking to liberal right or left wing views. Perhaps when using terms such a liberal some further qualification may me needed? I don't necessarily agree with all of Snowdon's views or actions but found this point well made, particularly as a lot of attendees were equating left wing with liberal views; however, the Stasi in East Germany proved that wasn't true. (Somewhat ironic that the current Russian president one has a Stasi ID card when he was based in Dresden ...) Posted this as I think someone else touched on this in another thread?

Michael Ixer ● 2676d36 Comments ● 2675d